FINALLY IT'S OUT!!

YAHH WOHO ITS OUT

New to this fandom and haven't read the first one yet, but its description sounds good, people sound excited, and the previous story seems to have a decent rating. I'll give them a shot.

After reading it I have one thing to say: FREAKING AMAZING! Just great and the best part was when you used Dementio's theme for Discord! Can't wait for chapter 2!

Thank you for inspiring me to put a soundtrack in Last Ditch! Enitrely different kid of story, but i'm glad that I saw Envy and Arrogance briefly.

I tracked and thumb'd this before it had 40 readers. /hipster

Time to read it, and time to make a random guess that somewhere near the end of this one, the cover image will make sense.

Similar to how the cover for E&A - some kind of evil-looking Rarity with the freaky shadow behind her - didn't make sense until near the end. Chapter 18 or 19, I believe. (NO SPOILERS FOH YOU.)

Thusly, in Chapter 18-19 of G&H, Fluttershy will kill them all...or something...maybe just burn Fillydephia to the ground... I don't know. But it will involve Fluttershy and it will involve flames.

Edit: Read it... saw your note at the bottom, I beg to differ. Now, with Discord's release, the story is occuring DURING the events of the season 2 premiere. That note there may need to be editted to something like "This story takes place AFTER season one but episode 3 of season 2 NEVER HAPPENED." Or something along those lines. Meh, not that big of a deal.

Hmm... I feel bad for the Mane 6 and Luna. They have to deal with impatient Celestia being so bitchy that Discord decided to give them a riddle they have zero chance of solving. And I don't mean the riddle about the "city deep in the sky." I'm refering to his remarks and who he said what to. He specifically called RARITY inadequate. He said that DASH would feel like she had zero control over the situation. He was closest to APPLEJACK when he said his line about "leaving the weak." And he was talking to FLUTTERSHY when he said his little bit about underestimating and villians.

Celestia - automatic "don't listen to him he's lying" reaction means she has something to hide. She also called Discord "weaker than Envy," yet a few moments later she says "don't underestimate" Deception (on the basis of Deception being only one pony).

I have more but I'll start sounding like I'm rooting for Discord if I keep talking. Even though I AM rooting for DisQord, because he's so villianously badass that EPIC is too small a word. *cough*CellyCanGoBuckHerself*cough*

You genius! This is by far the best FIMfic I've ever read. The only thing missing is... Nothing. I will stick to it until the end of Guilt & Hate. And if you're crazy enough to write about the last elements of Discord...

YES MOAR!

Haha, yes! It's out!

Here's to the beginning of another amazing ride.

YES! this story/ series/ I don't know what to call it is magnificent! This is easily my favorite fanfic ever!! Keep up the spectacular work!

>>309441309441 DO IT!!

>>310656310656

It's how I plan to spend most of tomorrow.

Edit: Never mind, I suppose I'll be doing it right now. My PS3 just died and I've nothing else to do.

So far this has been a solid first chapter. I'll admit I'm a bit apprehensive about Discord being on the loose; I'm not sure how well the story could function in a land of cardboard houses, instantaneous day/night transitions and chocolate rain. But I trust you to handle his presence tastefully, and I did rather like the music when he was around. As much as I love Kingdom Hearts, it's good to have some more variety to the soundtrack (though by all means this does not mean that I want the Kingdom Hearts music to stop). I also enjoyed the insertion of a piece of artwork into the narrative--something we haven't seen since the first chapters of Envy and Arrogance.

I'm a bit disappointed that Spike remains absent from the main events, and I hope he becomes more relevant than [completely pointless] later on. I did appreciate the scene at the end with Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle, as the CMC and Rainbow Dash are among my favorite characters.

In short, I look forward to more. If it isn't obvious now, you've won yourself a serial reader. Keep up the fantastic work; I'll be sure to pick and gripe at it as you go along, but just know it as a sign that I'm having fun!

Im glad it out! cant wait for more

Sad Fluttershy cover image ftw.

So... Siggy = Cid. Nice..

Are we going to expect more FF/KH characters ponified in the near future?

Fantastic!

It feels like something's going to happen to either Rainbow Dash or Scootaloo. Dash's worries early in this chapter back this point, and Scootaloo's nonchalance toward the issue seems to be an attempt to tell the reader not to worry about it for now. Add to this the fact that Deception intentionally makes a target of Loyalty, and it feels like some heavy foreshadowing. Either that or it's a red herring. Both are fun, so I'm down with either route.

...Siggy? I'm unsure how I feel about this guy; not even sure if he's going to play more of a role than that brief conversation. Ah well, always fun to meet new characters regardless. Speaking of new characters, Guilt kicks ass. Seriously, I'm loving his power. Also, nice use of Seymour's music from FFX. I can't wait to see more of this guy.

Excellent chapter overall. I'm psyched to see what happens next. I'll end with what was probably the most beautiful description in this particular chapter:

Celestia shook her head, her sigh forming mist in the late autumn weather.

Mother of Celestia :O. I've got a bad feeling about this...that's no moon...it's a space station. Whut?

Anyway, awesome start definitely will continue onward and stick till the end

Man, I really wish I had a laptop to listen to the music while I read...anyone wanna donate to the "Give A Laptop to AscendedWings" Foundation awesome chapter

I agree wuth Keeria but to tell the truth im still on edge with olly there just not enough we know about him

>>334843334843

I know exactly what you mean. Believe me when I say that I don't trust Olly either. Not even a little.

Does anybody remember all the Elements of Discord? I know Envy, Arrogance, Deception, Guilt, Hate and... ?

Great chapter My favourite fanfic of MLP: FIM Proabably gonna spend hours trying to find the last Element of Discord now, lol.

And was the "Super-speedy-Magic-squeezy" a pun on a machine name?

>>337314337314

The last one would be Twilight's opposite, Vengeance, which is the one with the most raw power of them all (Deception is crafty, but Vengeance pretty much kills powerful stuff by looking at it), the only drawback is, it needs a host that is willing to host it, so putting 2 and 2 together, my guess is Deception is planning to break Dash but instead of killing her like she's done to many other Loyalty incarnations, she's going to make her want to be Vengeance's body, probably preventing the element from reincarnating (which is the main reason for them to not just outright kill the mane 6, they want to end the Harmony/Discord war entirely, killing them just makes the element reincarnate in another pony).

Obviously this is just wild speculation that could be completely wrong

>>341892341892 Ohhh! And if I recall correctly the opposites are like this:

Honesty~>Arrogance

Kindness~>Hate

Generosity~>Envy

Loyalty~>Deception

Laughter~>Guilt

Pretty sure but need to be about 20% more sure.

>>342006342006 "They had turned into the Elements of Discord: Envy, Arrogance, Deception, Guilt, Hate, and finally Vengeance."

So:

Honesty~>Arrogance

Kindness~>Hate

Generosity~>Envy

Loyalty~>Deception

Laughter~>Guilt

Magic~>Vengeance, the strongest one of all.

>>341892341892 This is my idea, I still think Scootaloo will be the one to take in Vengeance. If she hasn't already. Deception does indeed have it out to Loyalty, but remember what she likes. "However, Deception has recently taken a liking to breaking ponies’ hearts and killing them in the process" What would break Rainbow more, than seeing her adoptive little sister, personal #1 fan, and maybe even best friend she can fall onto for anything; Turn around and willingly let Vengeance take over her? Scootaloo would be a traitor, non-loyal, a spit in her face basicly. That is what I think will happen.

>>342794342794

Yeah, that's possible as well given the whole deal on Envy and Arrogance where she was pretty much allowed to survive on purpose just so that she bonded with Saphira. A couple of manipulation here and there could do the trick and make Scootaloo hate AJ enough for her to willingly become Vengeance.

Yeah, that sounds more likely now that I think about it. It's just the part of their plan that is supossed to be different this time what puzzles me, since doing what you said pretty much acomplishes nothing new in the grand scheme of things (at least from Discord's POV) as Loyalty is implied to have been killed prematurely every single time and Harmony still managing to win.

>>344612344612 Ah, but harmony has never won. They always ended in a draw. Think of it this way tho. Think of it as a game, The Elements are the players, Equestria is the game board, and Harmony/Discord are the teams. There are no rules in this game tho. There are no boundaries. Deception is the smartest of everyone, but she is tired of playing this game. To end it, who says Discord has to win? As is always pointed out, she is a traitor. What if she is a traitor to Discord as well.

I believe her master plan, the thing she is working towards to end the game, is to help Harmony win, in such a way that nopony would know it was cause of her. This might mean that to hide that she is a traitor, to keep them believing she is loyal, she has to kill loyalty. who knows, Maybe loyalty knew this, and willingly lets her? I believe she will be the biggest hero of all, taking the ultimate price of being hated by everyone for the greater good, even letting herself die in the end.

*Hopes is first*

Wow! Deception is a BEAST! But he's kinda annoying so that cancels it out.

Fluttershy has been seeming quite kind lately... I know this is early in this story, but Fluttershy might potentially find something out soon.

And Rarity's intuition seems odd... Oh well reasonable enough to me!

As always, awesome chapter I'm really impatient so I can't wait till the next one.

>>354357354357 Dang, man. You are pretty fast :D

'nyway, more plot development. Yay...

Somehow, the group being separated reminded me of Mane 6's first trial. Could be that Rarity's "intuition" comes from memories or something from first trial.

Also, Twilight forgetting stuff (which I should look up in previous chapters) reminded me of KH:CoM (especially when Twilight mentions "It's probably not important, so I guess I won't bother")

Also, furious Celestia is new, I guess. Are you planning to reconstruct Celestia's personality or was there some similarities between before and after the control?

>>354435354435 Lol, not fast, random! I kinda guess I was bored and I remembered today was the day So I looked it up and thank Celestia it was there

WOOT!  Another awesome chapter of Guilt and Hate!  

There's something about that new foal I find suspicious, Rarity and Fluttershy get separated and run into the foal after an encounter with Deception...It can't be a coincidence.   (skeptical AJ is skeptical)

It seems Rarity may be close to unlocking her potential.  I can't wait for the next chapter!!  

>>354747354747

I'm definitely in agreement here, but hadn't picked up on Rarity being close to her Potential.

This was a great chapter! Discord was so funny and insane in this chapter!

I can't wait until the next one!

Hmm.... Guilt we have seen... Is this foal hate?!

Yay Chrono Cross music!

>>354357354357

'Shy failed her test by giving in to her hate and allowing someone to die in front of her without making a move to help. She allowed someone who was begging for help to die. Illusion or not, she still gave in to her anger and her hate.

Hmm.... 'Shy gave in to her HATE. This is Guilt and HATE. I predict Negative-Potential, perhaps? Negivential?

>>354747354747

Rarity failed her test, if you remember. She might be getting close to the opposite of her Potential. Negivential... or something like that.

On a sidenote, in E&A, Rarity and AJ both murdered someone. They also both failed their tests. E&A are the opposites of Generosity and Honesty, which, strangely, have the initials G&H - the same as Guilt and Hate.

Of course, Hate is the opposite of Kindness, so perhaps we'll see Fluttershy kill someone who may or may not deserve it, hmm? (I vote for the latter.)

Grr. Loving it so far, though I am annoyed at how easily my little ponies get taken out. and somehow I just don't trust Centime . Meh, we'll find out in the next exciting installment of Guilt and Hate. HeeHee

>>359510359510 She was also being kind to her friend Dash. It is true she gave into her hate. That doesn't mean she isn't kind. She still does have potential. Even if Pinkie or Rainbow had forewarned her to be kind, the outcome would most likely be the same. I do see your point of view though. Failed test= Failed potential. But it wasn't stated that failing the test meant failing as an Element. It meant that they were more weak to their opposites.

>>359510359510

You've got a good point there.  I think I'm just jumping to conclusions a little too soon.  Especially with the new colt, considering Deception has been keeping me on the the edge of my seat.  

A word on this chapter's theme choices: They were all by coincidence.

-Discord's theme will always be that track.

-I chose the song for the forest at the advice of an editor, Videocrazy, who also suggested I change the first song in the chapter (which I did before I published it)

-I added a scene right before I published this chapter, and it has a theme that, seemingly by fate, is directly related to the others.

The strange thing is, they all still fit. :pinkieshrug: Ah, well. Enjoy!

A runaway! After him! Off with his non crippled leg!

Great chapter!

Methinks Centime is a little suspicious... Rarity may be right.

Discord, you troll!    Well, no turning back now.   Can't wait for the next capter!  

Oh man this is gettin good I wonder what going to happen with sweetie it cant be good...damn grammar errors will be the end of me

More and more, I am surprised at the pace and the different moods that you are setting for each chapter. That's good by all means, but I don't want to be in a roller coaster of emotions when I am reading one chapter (not implying this chapter did that. Just a heads-up, I guess).

Background music is getting better each chapter as well and has more variety as the story goes on. On that note, really digging the Discord's theme (fits his personality well).

As for the story, I think somepony (or something) is blocking/intercepting the dream channel that Twilight goes through on purpose. Probably, Verba and/or Obsidian has/have a hand in this. Whatever it is, it might be related to Twilight's frequent cases of amnesia that we've observed so far. Also, hoping that Centime becomes an ally at the end. He is a broken (both mentally and physically) and distrustful of others, but that's natural for somepony who has gone through such trauma, so... Still thinking Scootaloo may turn sides at the end of this arc somehow.

Yay! I thought this was dead, turns out my click to track it never registered. Anywho, awesome chapter!

I'm annoyed that the ponies are too stupid to realize that Discord's actually helping them. He moved them from where they THOUGHT they had to go to where they ACTUALLY had to go. He's also likely responsible for teleporting Olly, Scoots, and Sweetie to the group.

Sure, getting stuck inside a rock or being teleported by Discord (seems to be a nauseating experience) isn't the most fun thing in the world, but can't you idiots let your hatred go long enough to realize he's on your side (at least partially).

If Centime is Deception, it would explain how he knows Discord...and why he hates Discord. "No, you're thinking of someone more ancient than me." Methinks Discord is talking about King Discord? If that's the case then Centime has to be one of the Elements of Discord. (TOO MANY DISCORDS!)

Sadly, people don't remember that ALL the Elements of Discord can possess people. Don't be so quick to blame the shapeshifter.

lol

Holy Rainbow SHAT! Hate you crazy@ss b!tch! Not Spitfire!

As always great job, a hat tip to you and your editors!

Fluttershy FIND YOUR POTENTIAL!

Cheers!

nice tf2 reference you slipped in

Another incredible chapter by Mindblower!  Awesome!  

Crossing my fingers that nothing bad will happen to Twilight now that she has a shard of immortality.  

Oh, and the creepy laughter at the end fits for me.  

Didn't get TF2 reference. I are a bad TF2 player D: I got Forever Alone one, but that's pretty far-fetched/too harsh of a reference (if one at all)

Anyway, it was pretty nice to have some kind of preview(?) of what Mane 6 are up against. Not sure if I still like that Arrogance has Diamond Tiara's body, no matter how justified it may seem/sound like, and guilt doesn't seem like a such depressed pony there, though gotta admit that his lines were pretty short. Speaking of depression. Centime is one sad filly who almost resolved to suicide. Almost, since he didn't do it directly, I suppose. I really hope he doesn't get absorbed(?) by Guilt later.

Also, Discord seems to appear every time our heroes move about half a mile :-/ Not sure if it is to annoy or to watch over in some sense (like a rival who wants a fair fight or something). If the show's characterization of Discord tells us anything, it's probably former than the latter. Eh, I just hope he drops some useful information or challenging obstacle later.

Also, I should've known that Hate was Spitfire from the first part, but I guess I was too busy reading other stuff. Also, I am guessing that Hate is the opposite of Kindness? Since it looks like Hate is baiting/mocking Fluttershy to realize her Potential kinda. Great job on linking Hate to Larxene. I should've picked that one up from her Schadenfredude. Another thing that was interesting was how Celestia is very logical in few situations. I always thought Celestia to be somewhat hot-blooded (yours, not the show), so it makes sense to have Luna to balance out Celestia's rash decision, but I like how Celestia can be very objective when it matters most (one of the key characterstics of leaders in fiction and probably some real ones).

I cringed/was saddened a little when reading Luna's lung condition, and that made me really worried how it will turn out to Twilight. Also, Twilight being fine when received immortality (initially or for now, anyway) made me think of scene from Yu Yu Hakusho when the main character gets a accelerated boost of power in exchange of pretty excruciating pain afterwards.

Lastly, loved how you used Radiant Historia music. Made me teared up a little how the music just fit the scene and every other time that music played in the game. Speaking of which, did you played/finished the game?

And this may be where that "this time, may actually be justified" part of the story's description comes in.

Got a weird feeling Twi's gonna have some positive side-effects from that immortallity. Positive when compared to losing her magic for the rest of her life, anyways. Not necessarily positive overall. Why? Because I'm a horrible person who likes seeing fanfiction characters suffer and/or become evil.

For a moment, I thought Hate was possessing one of Fluttershy's relatives or something. I saw "yellow pegasus mare" and thought "related to Shy." Then you throw a Spitfire at us and I'm all "WAT?"

...Hate is male, yet because his body is female, he's called she, and... Y U BREAK MY BRAIN SO MUCH?

All right! the good guys can finnaly win a round!  it only took 13 chapters!

Seriously, they haven't had one lasting victory since dash realized her potential.  And even that didn't last. Aren't they supposed to be about as powerful as the elements of descord?  Why can't they win when they outnumber 9 to 1?

Interesting, Hate is definitely toying with them.

Hmm, inb4 Twilight's potential will remove side effects of temporary immortality?

"I’m going to let you know something right now,” Hate snarled, gritting her yellowed teeth. “Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and you know what, Kindness?” Hate asked, getting so close to Fluttershy that their snouts were touching. “I will never. Stop. Killing you!” Hate hissed.

And then Hate became the Scout.

I've got to say that I'm really hoping that things turn for the Mane 6, Scoot, Sweetie, etc. sometime soon-ish. So many curbstomps it feels ridiculous. I suppose (briefly) immortal Twi could make things turn a bit. Hmm.

WAIT! Discord said that he was one and Dash was zero. HOWEVER! He never specified if he was positive or negative

interesting. Deception always seems to confuse things, spreading doubt and fear as always.

edit: Also the only Pony Deception didn't mention in their little dose of trickery was Fluttershy...

edit2: a bit of an expansion of first line which was originally " Interesting. Deception always seems to confuse things"

Awesome picture.........oh, and a good chapter too

Damn it Deception, why are you so....deceiving?

One little hint of advice: I understand that the Elements of Discord are magical, etc, etc but you should try and find ways for them to be involved without just popping up out of nowhere. It tends to get rather repetitive and mundane is all. Instead, perhaps Twilight could summon one of them, or the group could sneak up on one by chance without them knowing. Just a couple of ideas.

Try and work on that but part from that, still a great story

Poor Fluttershy. Scootaloo's too important! So many questions.... I guess the first one would be: When did Pinkie undo paralysis? Fluttershy wasn't mentioned! Run Fluttershy, run!

If Vengeance wants to posess someone, they need to be craving vengeance, yes? Does that go the same for Envy, Arrogance, Guilt, and Hate? I know Deception doesn't...

Great chapter! A hat-tip to the team!

Haven't read one of these chapters in so long, but it's great to be continuing reading them.

Oh man, talk about stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Deception is good at what he does, I'll give him that, he's even confused me.    Love the picture too.    Deception's message is definitely going to keep me on edge for the next few chapters.  Can't wait to read more!  

>>410856410856 Actually, they could be more powerful (the instant Twilight realizes her potential it's curtains for Discord unless they have Vengeance), problem is when they fight they are usually too busy derping around individually instead of using their specific abilities as a team to win (Pinkie dispelling annoying paralysis crap while the rest give their power to Dash for great ownage, for example).

Waitaminute, Deception said he couldn't be in two places at once right? That means whomever he is posing as should've dissapeared along with Twilight and Celestia at the end, if that's correct then all they have to do is ask the rest who went missing: if none did, then Deception was full of s*** and they can keep going nice and dandy, if someone did, then it's that pony, either way Deception shot himself in the foot by telling them that if I'm right.

Either that or he's full of s*** and everything he said is a lie then no point in doing anything

TF2 Reference? A Meme? Mother of God, this chapters AWESOME!

MY BRAIN! IT HURTS!

Anyway, this was a good chapter! It started off like a little filler/cutscene chapter, but then Deception appears and makes my brains scrambled eggs.

I'm placing my bets right now. I don't think it's Centime, as that would be too obvious. Olly also seems too obvious because of the amnesia, Deception would just have an elaborate back story planned out. Now, if memory serves, we haven't seen any of Rarity's thoughts. That's why she's my first guess. My second is that the whole thing is BS. We'll have to see...

>>438290438290 Yes we have, in chapter 3 before and after finding Centime, but I'm thinking that unless the whole thing is BS he can just store his soul inside any pony without the host noticing and not make any changes in his/her personality/thoughts, if that's true, then any of them could be a time bomb and there would be no way to tell until it's too late.

I think its been brought up before, but the worst thing about deception is that, with him in the picture, you can't know who to trust!  But they can't not help someone just because they might be deception.  Denying everypony is just as bad as giving up. AAAAAHHHH!!!  So tense!

That Scoot and Cent scene! *sob*

First, sorry Mindblower (couldn't place Mr. or Ms. since I don't want to offend you or something). RL stuff got me this week and was AFK or AFC most of the time (well, the personal ones anyway), so I just read it right now. So, I hope you forgive me for that

Moving on, I wanted to try something different this time around, and comment as I read along. Not sure if I will continue doing it (mostly likely no), but here they are:

Centime is very observant. I like how it's usually the quite ones that observe these kinds of stuff. Hurt, but keeping his head strong when he needs to, Centime can play the most prominent role in this arc I presume.

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Hmm.. it seems that my guess was partially correct. Hate is definitely want Fluttershy to bring out her Potential. That's good, because Fluttershy really need some backbone when situation calls for it. Sure, such quality made Discord mad enough to "cheat" in his game on S2E01, but being kind and humble to EVERYONE makes you an easy target for those who wants to hurt her. Wish Flutters could get her potential in a way when she was instructed by Iron Will, but not too much.

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Seeing Centime X Scoots and Olly X Dash. I am not a fan of OC pairings, but I support the first one, because it sounds too cute. Not really digging Olly X Dash, though. Nevertheless, I will wait for steady development for these pairings (if intentional).

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Sweeti-emo is... pretty depressing. Probably because she was force-fed those depression by Hate himself (or herself), so can't complain there. Also, I like how Twilight can be logical sometimes and say harsh but true words if needed.

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Nice, a picture. More to come?

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Guessing game. Oh, how I love/hate these. No matter how close I get, it's always not a cigar (wink wink). Anyway, let's see the rules:

1) Deception is somewhere in Mane 6 group or close. <- Probably close, because the conversation seemed to be taking place within the mind, instead of physically.

2) Deception cannot be in two places at once. <- Further reinforces the fact that Deception is not there physically, but mindjacking both ponies for some reason. I think it could be because Celestia and (tweaked) Twilight is the only ponies with active Magical abilities.

3) Deception is quite possibly lying to Mane 6. <- For namesake, duh.

4) Ponies who are not: Celestia, Twilight, Dash, Pinkie, Scoots <- Agreeing with Deception's reasoning but doubts for Scoots. It could be possible that Scoots is/will become host to one of the Elements of Discord.

5) Ponies who could be: Rarity, Applejack, Centime, Olly, Sweeti-emo <- Reasoning's OK, but it could be used to throw Twilestia (and the readers) off.

6) Ponies who are not mentioned: Fluttershy and others who are in the city. <- Fluttershy is not mentioned. I wonder why. Did her mind break already or is there something more?

That's all for now. I hope I can read right on time as usual next week.

deception is quite the trickster

he said that Zecora's prediction was true and when she made her prediction the only ones there were Celestia and the mane 6 meaning its one of them. But he also said he could be lying, so in reality it could be anypony or it could be nopony.

My head hurts

Another decent chapter. At least they got to the mountain. Also, Discord has this story's plot? He broke the fourth wall?!

Pinkie would be proud

My one complaint would be that there is very little refreshing conflict. Not in the sense of fighting action but in the sense that nothing new is happening. Dash is still angry at being weak, Centime is being silent & moody and Celestia is being...well...angry. No new developments means everything is dragging on a little...

  Discord is being such a troll!  And I thought Pinkie was the only one who could break the 4th wall, silly me!   I'm still on edge about what Deception said in the last chapter but I'm not sure I want to cross anypony of my suspect list though.    Can't wait for the next chapter!  

Hmm... Methinks the necklaces are hidden somewhere (lol lame observation) So it would be utterly impossible to discover potential without the necklaces? I think Fluttershy or Rarity is next! Or maybe AJ, but not Twilight

Oh god why do I get the feeling Scootlaoo will be a willing host? and sweetie hasn't really been talking much I wonder whats going on through her mind

>>457005457005

Deception. That's what's (or should I say who?) is on Sweetie's mind.

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Methinks with Vengence needing a -willing- host... I gots a bad feeling about Twilight. Making a deal with your most powerful enemy in order to get rid of all your other enemies... it's a method for the seed of corruption to be planted in the hero(ine)'s mind...

On a somewhat related note, Scootaloo is worst singer. On all days.

Twilight has magic back? Either Twi's secretly been Vengence (and thusly faking it the whole time) or she kept some of Celly's immortality for herself. Or it could have just been an entire month and it wore off... but that's not fun, it doesn't leave you doubting who a character REALLY is. Which, I assume, was the entire point of Deception's little speech at the end of the last chapter - to make us wonder, and to make us suspicious of everyone.

<insert Celly's "did you really believe that" line here>

You forgot that Lorey - Deception's host - can shapeshift, and thusly doesn't NEED to possess someone. Just seperate them, and slip into their place, that's all (s)he needs to do. GAH! You're such an idiot Celestia!

...wait a second. GAH. GaH. Guilt and Hate.

.................................

These coincidences are freakin' me out bro.

Personally, I think Scoots will meet the sad fate of being possessed by Vengeance. Bear in mind that Deception did say something (too lazy to go look it up ) about how Scootaloo was important or something.

Since the EoD (at least Deception) don't want to mess with Scootaloo, there has to be some sort of very important about her. Centime will die, she gets vengeful. Or, Centime dies and she gets closer to being vengeful, and then something else tips her over.

Whatever, these are just idle thoughts. I am kind of hoping I'm wrong though... Scootaloo needs to live!

>>457737457737 you sir just blew my mind

>>457737457737 When Celestia let Twilight borrow her immortality it permanently threw off the curse, at the risk of Twilight losing all magic in the future. Wouldn't make sense for her to take such a big risk only for the short time Celestia would lend her immortality and yes, keeping Lorey's ability in mind and the fact that Deception has possessed Lorey's body, Celestia is being foolish thinking they could replace someone without killing them. However, there have been hints that Twilight was studying necromancy, and Deception said something along the lines of "don't think your spell will work against me as you know I can take over bodies without killing them". That makes it clear in my mind that the spell Twilight researched detects if a being is dead (at least), and detects that even if the person is being controlled by an element of discord. In that case, since Lorey is dead then Deceptions claim still makes no sense. That is the only reason anyway that I can see that she studied any necromancy spells (It was mentioned as a stray thought a few chapters back).

Edit: I could also be wrong about what the spell is, so it very well could be completely different then what I think it is.

Edit: Nevermind, I believe the curse thing is right but I was wrong about the spell, carry on. Deception could still capture one and transform

New chapter? Already? Wow, you've been in some major write-streak or something.. Maybe, probably because I read your last chapter a bit late.

Gotta say the mountain music fits pretty nicely, though to tell you the truth I never played FFX D:

Centime X Scoots pairing seems familiar. Hm.. Probably seen it from anime or something. Seems like it's based on some kinda Oedipal relationship.. ish... (shudders) IDK. It could be a guy thing, but I can relate Centime going for someone who reminds him of his mom. I mean I had my share of broken hearts because of something like that.. :X Not sure how you would comment on it though.

Nice, Axe.. Le... I mean Verba's back, and he got some explanations :D His description of Ponyville going screwy reminds me of animation mistakes (a bit or the ones that you can probably find watching WhitehawkePAUNCH vids) Also, getting the vibe that Twilight's dream = Season 2, no major/new figure(s), Inside-the-Ponyville episodes. Then again, Season 2 had lots of new characters and many episodes had Mane 6 going outside of Ponyville, so I guess not D:

Oh, a new information. Vengence needs a willing host and Deception can trick a host. Oh, wait. Actually, it's already kinda mentioned in the EandA Ch.13. Thanks for the reminder :D Also, this reminder gives some new insight to work with to guess who they will strike Mane 6 next.

Also, anyone(pony?) breaching fourth wall should be countered with witty banter by Pinkie, IMO. >:D

It's already getting late. Might have to give this one a fresh read after I sleep, but yeah :D

Pinkie, why you teach Discord this reality breaking unlogic?!

Anywho, it's snowing now - so everypony chill for a while and clear your heads before you take on the mighty, monstrous, magnificent, malevolent Mount Nevercrest!

Really loved the art in the last chapter, will we see more?

Frostwyrm

Discord's trolling in this chapter is made of pure, awesome win dat fourth wall break, I like how he definitely knows how the entire thing will play out, yet doesn't give a damn, whether this is because he knows his side will win or just wants to enjoy the ride we'll see.

Is Dash seriously THIS forgetful about her own freaking powers? YOU ARE THE EQUIVALENT OF A DBZ's SPIRIT BOMB, YOU HAVE PRETTY MUCH NO POWER CAP AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM OTHERS YET YOU NEVER SEEM TO REALIZE NOR ATTEMPT TO USE IT YOU DUMB *****!!! Stop talking horseapples about being as useless as the others and Arrogance kicking your flank, YOU kicked her flank back at Fillydelphia (if the host hadn't had immortal regeneration it would've been split in half after your attack even!) and you had no training whatsoever back then, just raw energy from the city.

/rant (sorry, I know I pretty much pointed out the same a few chapters back but I seriously want to punch Rainbow in the face)

Celestia seriously needs to be informed that Deception has technically possesed someone alive: if I remember correctly Lorey, her current host, was having an internal fight with her the whole time so I guess a weak minded pony could be overtaken easily by him whenever he wanted while she just lays dormant inside the unsuspecting host waiting for her chance. That or she just captured one of them and took their place using Lorey's ability

Okay, we have Discord 4th wall breaking and his first time being evil. (At least, killer evil)

Anyhow, will you ever make Discord say "Ciao" while snapping his fingers and teleporting away, or something to that extent?

Yay, a new chapter, a new expository (kinda) chapter, too. Let's see what we've learned:

1) Centime had a tragic past, the one that includes his mother-figure was (or turned into) EoD, being kidnapped to probably Anti-EoD organization (The Resistance, huh), and his (potential) father-figure dying in the process of saving him from somepony who looks very much like Lorey.

2) Celestia also had a tragic past involving someone called Skids (and is older than twenty five thousand years). Also, she speaks Latin, which is verbal element for magic spells as well (along with mana and concentration and things that doesn't need to be addressed here).

3) Celestia was an Element of Loyalty. (Thank you, Twilight for wrapping that up nicely :D) Probably the one that's been duped by Deception all those long time ago (or other conflicts between EoD an EoH.

With that, I assume that Skids was Deception, since Deception was known to hurt Loyalty (though not exact opposite IIRC). Hmm... if Deception is always targeting the ones who are (romantically) close to Loyalty....

Also, the description of Centime's "father" implies that it might be current Guilt, or I forgot to remember how OCs looked like, again (probably the latter, more reason I like a fanart with my fanfics :X). Centime sure had it tough, too. Getting EoD take over his mother (or not) and being separated (forever) from both of his parents. Speaking of, looks like Hate has some kind of soft spot when it comes to foals, or if it does not interferes with the overall plan... Hmm....

Well, I am psyched about season 2 finale to think about it deeply, so TTFN.

EDIT: Fixed minor grammar and copy-and-paste mistakes. Feel free to correct my IMOs and IIRCs.

EDIT2: Fixed few sentences to make it less confusing. Sorry Mindblower Also, I forgot how OCs look like, AGAIN D:

I thought that Celestia and Luna each made up Magic?

Awesome! But... If the Elements have to die to reincarnate, how did Dash be reincarnated to Loyalty if Celestia was still alive?

Was that an actual language you used for the spell or did you make it up?

Awwww yeah! This updated!

Can't wait to see what you have in store for us this time

>>476220476220 At least part of it was Latin, don't know if all of it was but I recognized some of the words... I think.

Another chapter abrimming with fabulosity!

Now, as far as my predictions/thoughts go...

Celestia was loyalty. Cool beans, makes me wonder what happened for her to lose her element. Also, this brings the question of what Luna is (obviously an alicorn, but what element?/does she have an element?).

Hate doesn't kill kids. Interesting, I'm wondering how that will eventually play out, like if the Elements of Harmony will use that against him. And damn, I am really thinking about Luna now, I'm so curious to find out what she is.

Scootaloo Centime relationship. As far as this is concerned, I'm still pretty positive that Centime is what makes Scootaloo accept vengeance into her being. I really don't want this to happen, but it really does seem kinda inevitable. Scootaloo does have a lot of things to get revenge for, and was described by Deception as "important" or something like that.

Hey hey, this may be cliche, but keep being an awesome writer!!

EDIT: I love you Mindblower!!!

Oh snap!  Celestia is also the Element of Loyalty!    I did not see that coming.  I'm glad we got to see some of Centime's past to see who he was.    Can't wait for the next chapter!  Keep up the excellent work Mindblower!!!  

I think I can guess how the next Potential is going to happen, based on the hint you PM'd me...but I won't spoil it for everypony else.

Most commented thing: Hate won't kill foals? Wut? I think there is some history to be explained in another chapter...

Celestia was Loyalty, which I suppose explains how she knows so much about Deception, or she IS Deception!

Although this seems like more of a chapter to set up the next chapter, enjoyable all the same!

Frostwyrm

>>477205477205 I wanna hint too!

>>477243477243

It's more of a who, rather than a what or how. As for when, it will be very soon!

Does that make sense enough from my dragon logic?

Frostwyrm

>>477533477533 I no has dragon logics. Nah jk it makes sense!

Now I is more curious...

>>476418476418

It was entirely Latin.  It translates from Latin to English in Google translate.

Hrrrng, cliff hanger!

Oh well, looks like back story time in the next chapter.

I suspected Celestia was one of the first Elements, but good to see it confirmed.  However, she's being inconsistent in how she's reacting to Hate.  Last time she froze up completely on sight, now she's angrily shouting her down and trying to call bluffs.

Okay, so they're going on the assumption that Deception is still riding Lorey's shapeshifter body instead of possessing anypony new, and seeing Centime's memories of his screwed-up foalhood puts him in the clear because neither Deception nor Lorey would have those.  So what's to stop Celestia and Twilight from just peeking at the entire team's memories?

Nice nice, and now we have a new element of discord in play. Guilt, maiming ponies with the blink of an eye.