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MainSo, for whatever reason you find yourself feeling very unhappy with the famous brony-related website. Perhaps, you don't like the website's formatting and the way in which you have to operate it to use it. Perhaps, you don't like the rules about what material gets allowed versus the material that gets zapped to the moon. Perhaps, you're sick and tired of the user base of the people that post there and all of the asinine, mean, pointless, et cetera things that get said back and forth. Perhaps, your story got rejected in a manner that was transparently insulting, unfair, or otherwise applying a different standard to you versus other authors. Perhaps, you've written something about a certain subject material that faced mindless hate. Perhaps, the color scheme just looks bad to you. You just can't stand the use of Blogger. You find the Trixie obsession annoying. I can go on and on.
Well, this group is for you. I don't care why you dislike Equestria Daily. The point is: you do. And so do I. Thanks for reading. If you choose to join, than thanks once again. Please post to your hearts content about what you feel.
P.S. I know that "I Hate Equestria Daily" is not accurate since this is about merely "disliking" the site, and it's meant as a place for civil discussion rather than anti-site flaming. Consider the title a misnomer-- like how the cereal Grape Nuts does not contain grapes (nor nuts) *What's the deal? / Jerry Seinfeld pose*
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>>311114
Yea sorry Alexstrazsa, I don't mean to say that everyone there is a huge jerk or anything. I think you're really cool, I've just read some reviews by Equestria Daily where they were being pretty messed up and kind of sounded like they were purposely trying to make the person feel worse about themselves lol. I don't know, just rubbed me the wrong way.
>>310347
... that's hate speech?
I mean, I know I sound sarcastic right now and that's far from professional in and of itself, but most of that was just a couple pre-readers joking around about the story not being a Godot crossover, and the rest was the same kind of stuff we all say in the company of friends and colleagues. The pre-readers do their best to maintain a professional tone in communicating with submitting authors, but they're also human. They screw around and rag on customers/submitters a bit behind the scenes, just like most everybody who's ever worked a service job.
That stuff absolutely shouldn't have been sent to the author and it was certainly an egregious mistake on our part that it happened, but going so far as to call it "hate speech" is a bit of an undue exaggeration, wouldn't you say?
>>309337
I'm a pre-reader and I play WoW, so I guess that's accurate.
>>309112
I read the email of someone being told they didn't do enough... world building. That apparently you (and supposedly the reader) would have no idea what's going on in the Russian war thingy. I won't criticize, but I have to ask, what is acceptable world building for you guys?
Apparently he didn't do enough early on, and you concluded it was just ponies killing ponies for the sake of killing ponies. I'm also seeing that due to your long queue, the author only has a few chapters to get the plot moving before you stop reading. This leaves a very difficult challenge of getting in enough world building and lore in a very small amount of time before you have to move on to the next fic. This also causes the third problem of "story seems too rushed." I haven't seen any emails complain about that specifically, but I can imagine that being in a rejection reply.
In my fic, comments have giving me a lot of positive feed back on my world building. The thing is, it's a rather massive universe (it's a starcraft cross over. You guys have fall out cross overs, so I'm guessing cross overs are ok), and I couldn't find a way to get the story to move forward, and build the universe at the same time along side the plot without making things drag out. Instead I'm doing two things in the story. The main focus is the actual story. The side project I'm also working on is a lore segment that explains the history, culture and governments of each faction in the story. I've actually gotten a lot of good feedback on the lore segments alone, saying that they are very pleased with the world I've built.
What I'm wonder is, is this acceptable in EQD? Is it alright if I have one segment explaining story specifically, and one explaining background lore specifically? I know for a fact there are a lot of people who seem to like it, and I've had people comment that they will read the story just because they liked the lore so much. Or does the story HAVE to also explain the universe along side it? Because that would take forever, and from the way you describe queues, it sounds like it would be impossible to get a pre-reader to get that far into it. It's incomplete, but already over 60k words, and will probably be 100k by the end of the month.
It seems like you guys have some very specific layouts in mind, and I don't want to waste my time in the queue if that is not acceptable. And if it were, would a proof reader actually read the lore segments before the story? Again, it's had a lot of positive feedback, but it would take a while to read it all (will probably be about 25k words by the time lore is done). By that point, I'm not to certain if they would even start the story. Would they just base it off the lore alone, and then assume the story that takes place in the universe is good enough and pass it? Or would they skip the lore and then complain that it's too hard to follow? Or would they genuinely read the entire lore segment, then actually give the first few chapters a try afterwards?
Admittedly I don't spend much time on Equestria Daily, since it always slows my computer WAY down.
Speaking of the Trixie obsession, how bad is it? My closest friends, who are also fans of the show, are well aware that I'm the first to speak out against her, but honestly, I wouldn't mind Trixie so much if her fanbase wasn't determined to portray her as an pure hearted saint innocent of ANY wrongdoing whatsoever (I wish I was exaggerating about that) as well as Twilight's Destined Soul Mate
I am curious as to why my fanfic, "Love, Marriage, and Scootaloo" was put into this group? While it is true that I submitted three fanfics to EQD before, this fanfic was not one of them. I am curious as to why it is here at all and maybe someone could tell me why. I am not mad just curious
>>310347 I really, really don't understand why Dragon wanted to pull this.
Regardless, it's the internet. It won't disappear that easily.
I've pulled the google cache of EQD's recent hate speech against an aspiring author, so that they can't hide the evidence.
Google Cache of EQD hypocrisy
Speaks for itself. Finally, hard evidence.
Hey there guys. I've never even explored the site "Equestria Daily" and I think I've seen it about twice. The ugly blue layout and setup just didn't appeal to me at all. But anyway that's not the point. On here I've heard numerous rumors about how Equestria Daily are elitists that reject stories based not on being different and unique, but based on how mainstream it is and grammar. After reading some of their reviews of stories people post on their profiles, all I have to say is I'm now with you all 100% on disliking these guys.
Some of their reasons for rejecting your stories are pretty weird; and quite hilarious at times. I really wish authors wouldn't let their words bring them down cause they kind of just sound like a bunch of whiners who shoo something away if they don't understand it.
That's kind of the vibe I get from most of their reviews I've read. I was actually considering submitting a story to them one time, and now I'm very happy I didn't. Although I find most of their reviews pretty unreliable, still having someone tear apart your hard work can feel demotivating, and make you feel there are much better things to do with your time. Either way guys, you've gained another supporter. So not only does Equestria Daily have a hideous layout (in my personal opinion) it has elitist jerks that like to pretend they know everything? Kind of reminds me a lot of most WoW players I encounter these days.
>>309112 Well thank you for that. My biggest problem with you guys isn't just that your policies go against my personal ethos (I can just not visit your site, after all), it's that you don't seem to be open to any possible alternatives no matter how many people make valid arguments against you, like your way is the one true path. The mere existence of this group proves otherwise, even if it's also populated by hack authors butthurt over perfectly justified rejection. So... thanks for at least acknowledging what I say.
I just can't help but scratch my head at an organization that has a problem, gets called out on it over and over for the better part of its existence, and at best defends its position by citing excuses that only exist because of the problem being pointed at.
I mean... come on. Piecing things together from what I've seen personally in the fics that get sent to my editing group fresh from EqD rejection (They often share the rejection notice so we know what EqD wants out of the fic, if they're that set on getting it hosted there), as well as comments from you and other users in this group, I get the following flow of "logic:"
-Pre-readers, who have scores of fics waiting on a queue, will take the time to read a piece so meticulously that they notice how the author is using ellipses and spaces.
-Such an issue, minor grammatical things which often aren't even objectively correct (specific punctuation like that differs between Chicago and Oxford and every other style, whereas "you didn't put a period at the end of your sentence" is something that even basic English-speaking people will agree on), is grounds to fail the fic and send it back. Forget artistic expression and liberties which bend the rules for a reason; if it's not allowed in 5th grade English, it's WRONG.
-After extensively picking apart the first few chapters for such tiny, miniscule flaws that don't distract from the artistry of the story, the pre-reader is justified in saying "yeah, the rest should be fine" and letting it pass regardless of what egregious little "violations" may be present throughout the rest.
I cannot fathom a universe in which that makes sense. If you just can't tolerate a story making tiny mistakes early on, how can you dismiss the possibility of those same mistakes occurring later? You've transcended all concept of "high standards" and are operating on a plane of existence I have never even heard of, where "grammatical perfection is the only option" and "it'll be good enough" are both fully valid and non-sarcastic decision-making paradigms for the same institution.
Ugh. I'll shut up now. I just really hate seeing those nonsensical rejection notices and shattered dreams of otherwise good authors I respect . Had to get that off my chest, for their sake.
>>309075
Your opinion has been noted.
>>305885 If you don't have time to do your jobs properly, then you need to change your policy. Fics wouldn't pile up if you approved some of the ones turned away for minor, niggling grammar issues like a misused hyphen - think of the time wasted in typing out a rejection, then having it get added to the queue again a little while later. I'm not saying to totally abandon all concept of grammar, but some wiggle room would be appreciated. I've read big-name published best-selling classic novels and found misspellings or typos. You're straight up idiotic to assume that any amount of casual fans of a children's TV show are going to do any better.
Considering the vast majority of complaints about your site are because it will fail solid, well-written stories for minor grammar issues most people (including me, a person who's been writing for over a decade and editing for half that) don't notice, people in this group and otherwise would like your site more for not being such Nazis. You'd accomplish more. The community as a whole would accomplish more.
I'll say again: if you can't do your jobs properly, then get more people (get better people) or change your policy. Don't throw it back on the community and say "we're busy." That's your problem, not your authors', and if you're going to insist on holding stories to your "perfect" standard, than you better be able to judge them properly.
I've been rejected twice. I've done a few binges through the fanfic archive to figure out what does get posted. A lot of it is at least competently written, but so much of it is painfully predictable. Shipfic, shipfic, shipfic, Trixie, Trixie, Fallout Equestria, repeat infinitely. The newer stories don't seem to be as powerful or gripping as the older ones. I'm getting a very bad feeling that what gets through is let through because it is technically correct and will offend or challenge as few readers as possible. I also notice that the trend is for authors to make repeat appearances, but if a new or unknown tries to get on, then they almost certainly won't.
I want answers.
Here's the rejection note from my second story, which I think has more than few kinds of bull in it. I've honestly been teetering on the edge of whether or not to post my rejection notice, but I think I'll put it up here. Maybe somebody who knows more about how to get something in can tell me more. I'm also going to give my objections to it.
Somebody finally got that it was about Chechnya!
No context? Do I have to hit you in the face with exposition until I get a repetitive motion injury? Throughout the story, I mentioned terrorist attacks, tensions, politics, and pogroms. What should I have included, an engraved invitation. "Dear Princess Celestia, please invade us. Your mortal enemy, Chechneya."
Well then, the next time I see a fic using any kind of ranks or insignia that doesn't explain it by throwing a field manual at me, then I'll be sure to point out how that completely ruined the story. The story explicitly states that soldat is the lowest rank. Think private. Serzhant sounds like sergeant. You get no points for gessing what komandir meant. The telnyashka is a somewhat more obscure reference. It's an emblematic undershirt used by different Russian military groups. Shining Armor's has red stripes; he's Spetsnaz. You say "show -- don't tell", but when I do that, you bitch about how I make the story unreadable!
All plots seem contrived at first. Remember To Love A Goddess? You let that in, and the plot was deader than disco. Remember Circle of Friends? You let that in, and almost nothing in the story was explained or made sense! Fluttershy is bumbling for a reason. Shining Armor is nasty for a reason. Again, read between the lines. Pay attention!
Reference my response to number two. OH! Remember Class Sins, which also got let it. In contains princesses and lieutenants. Most readers don't have anything in their real lives to connect those to. Most readers also don't know much about apocalypes, kidnapping, or cults; I guess that it's completely unreadable now.
You gotta be kidding me. If you've played either COD4 or MW3, then you know what an AK-47 and an AK-74 are. Even if you haven't, you've almost certainly been made aware of what they are The AKM is slightly more obscure. I'm putting in some content that's meant to be a bonus for knowledgeable readers to give them a little something extra. Again, I tell you essentially what it is. I call them assault rifles. As for the RPD, if you've played just about any modern war game since COD4, you've seen an RPD. I tell what the other weapons are. Do you need the story interrupted by a forty page report on every single damn thing? I named other things as necessary. Aren't you going to complain about them, too? Need me to explain what a church is, because the story takes place in one, and I didn't give you the Encylopedia Britannica article about it.
Did you even read this? It's already on Fimfiction! And it's quite well recieved. I've already given my explanations and reasons. What the hell do you mean by "niche". You approved Just Pull The Trigger, which is Rarity putting a gun to her own head! And that one had numerous, obvious, basic grammatical errors. War is war is harsh. I'll come back once I have a hit story. Then I'll submit this again and you'll let it in.
I need to completely reboot this? A total rewrite would fundamentally alter the story and its meaning. I forgot, you seem to care more about views than posting good stories nowadays. Didn't you pick up on any of the themes, or did you just read the title and go "Not shipping; to teh moon L01!" I gave you an explanation! When I tell, you complain that it confuses you. When I show, you complain that it confuses you. What about Cupcakes, which is featured? It's not a story; it's a pony torturing another pony for no reason. Better send it to the moon! Oh, I know exactly what'll make you happy: a revised ending where it turns out to have just been Twilight and Trixie watching a movie together. And then they make out and fall in love. The end. Lastly, what is the WTG?
From what I gather, you just hate war stories and Russians.
This was several times more ranty and angry than I originally intended it to be, but these are my honest feelings. I apologize if I offended you or pissed you off or wasted your time, but I had to express my feelings over it. Also, as I pointed out many times, there are stories with the same "flaws" as mine which were nevertheless featured. So, does anybody here any feedback or explanations?
Honestly, Equestria Daily, you make me feel like this:
They rejected my story because I don't use the word "said," though none of my readers have a problem with implied speech attribution.
Oh, and the prereader told me to stop using a thesaurus. erm, wut?
Last time a used a thesaurus was years ago, writing some poem.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who is upset with them.
Well, I'm a reject.
They didn't like me for my highly personal formatting and my extensive use of abstract tell vs. show.
(I have since deleted the fic
-- I've resigned to more personal/metaphysical writings).
Just joined.
Thanks for creating this forum; I thought I was going to have to do it myself.
Hey everypony... guess I'm #301.
300 members! Hey Pinkie, it's party time!
>>305789 and that's how it actually is as well. There is not even the mention of the word brony in the whole thing, and the human aspect is tackled later on in the story.
But hey, it's a Brony in Equestria and a HIE, they are bad, overdone and lame. The view count and comments however show something else.
I couldn't care less about the fic submission, I just hate most of the people who actively post in the comments since they're very, very stupid and treat this fandom like a religion.