There are very few Super-Heavies and D grade weapons in our gaming group and he doesn't actually have anywhere near enough Rhinos to mount the entire company in so they have to foot slog it across the table while the big guns trade fire.
He actually forgot to move his entire army throughout the battle, funny as hell in the last turn when we had wiped out the centre and left flanks of their army and he couldn't take our flanks objective and our Nid players Harridian contested his objective.
If CREED, then Baneblade. Or, see if you can get a Titan on loan from one of your buddies, and scout that thing right in the middle of his army. You might be a little gimmick heavy if you do that, though. Just the Baneblade, showing up to hammer at a flank, would be a good hammer and anvil with the rest of your forces. That, plus Deathstrikes, would at least give you a nice large killcount.
He doesnt have drop pods, praise Khorne for small mercies.
He does have a Stormtalon however, but my Heldrake should make short work of that.
Or one of the many other flyers on my team will.
I've also acquired a extra Predator and another Obliterator so now I have even more Lascannons to throw at the enemy, but I'm probabally not getting any more Guard after I assemble the Deathstrike.
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of, and why I mentioned drop pods in the second post. Reserves-based armies are a pain in the rump. The best thing I can think of for them is either plenty of plasma-Russes or a couple tooled-up Vultures. Actually, would a squad or two of Valkeries do the job? Or would the SMs just be able to field too many marines for the lascannons to gun them down? I'm not too familiar with that, I usually don't go up against SMs with loads of drop pods.
Artilery's no good if the enemy can just drop-deploy right on top of you. But, if you're fighting an army that isn't drop-oriented, then you can moonscape 'em pretty good with a Deathstrike or two.
It's only going to have a shoe-box sized hole if he's not running them in Drop Pods, which is the only way to actually run a Battle Company in Apoc. There's too much ordnance, too much 'D' weaponry being thrown around to make it worthwhile to put them in Rhinos. Drop Pods let you get closer, double-tap the footsloggers, and provide 106 Marines as a distraction while the heavy-hitters on your team get set to rock and roll.
I don't use lost/damned, I use Chaos marines with allied guardsmen.
So I can use Deathstrikes.
As for Heldrakes, I've not tried mine out against SM yet but it took down Farsight and his one bodyguard in one turn.
As for tactics, I have a meat shield of Guardsmen and Cultists standing in front of my CSM and on a hill behind that I had two Obliterators and a Predator.
I had a Orbital Strike, the Seer Council, two Avatars and ten assault termies on my flank last battle as well as the BC.
Foul traitors! How dare you turn the Emperor's most blessed gifts against... psshahahahaha, oh man. Yeah, I kinda twigged to that when you asked about the SM Battle Company. Just make sure that Deathstrikes are codex-legal for L&D armies. Also, they're freakin' expensive. 1 Deathstrike is $60, I'm pretty sure, and if you really wanna mop the floor, you're gonna want 2 or 3 of 'em.
Or, one Deathstrike and a couple of Basalisks. Manticores are iffy, they eat blobs but SM's are hardier stuff. I'd recommend you have a ton of blob guard out front to soak bullets while the artillery gets cocked and ready in the back row.
Also, watch out for deep strikes. If he's smart, he'll try to land a drop pod right on top of your artillery park, or sneak some Termies in. Bring along an Officer of the Fleet, and you can make him re-roll which side of the board he brings his guys in from. Not sure what to do about drop pods, though. Bottom line, if you're going heavy artillery, make it a surprise. Pay that extra 20 or so points for camo netting, unless you have Fantastic Obscuring Cover. Otherwise he's going to longrange you with a Conversion Beam or something. (Also, if you really wanna troll, bring along a Master of Ordinance. One more mini-basalisk will only help, and it's Apocalypse so you won't notice the points. Hopefully.)
One awesome thing about Apocalypse games is that the models are usually crammed in on top of each other on a small board. If you know he's only got about 5ft by 3ft or less to deploy in, then bring a squad or two of Leeman Russ Executioners, your usual dudes, and 2 Deathstrikes. If Tzeench is with you, you'll roll well and wipe out 2 big ole pieplates worth of his dudes, then follow it up infantry backed with armor.
A question. I've seen Heldrakes used to great effect on SMs at my FLGS. Have you tried them?
Dude, it's an 8in-12in pieplate of death that ignores cover saves by default. It's AP 1. It's gonna cremate all those Termies and footslogging Space Marines, and it deals its full strength of 10 to anything inside that huge pieplate. Unless you really screw up on the scatter roll, you're gonna wipe out their command squad and evaporate most of their heavies. It's mainly a psychological tool, like Sly Marbo. The enemy has to space out his guys massively to avoid offering up a juicy target for your Chimera-portable ICBM, which means they can't offer as much covering fire for one another as they should.
If the dice are with you and you can chuck it on turn 2, then it's like an I-WIN button. That Battle Company is gonna have a shoebox-shaped hole in the middle of it. If not, and you can't haul it out till turn 6, then you can still atomize whatever's been annoying you. In my experience, a couple of Basilisks are better, just chuck ammo downrange and moonscape 'em. Still, Deathstrike is a great way of scaring the tar out of the opposition.
Oh, wait. Apocalypse? As in, 7000 and up points-wise?
Psssh. Bring three Deathstrikes. Proxy your commander with Pinkie Pie. Wipe. The. Board.
Pewter is a bit much to ask of Hasbro, but praise the Emperor and pass the Promethium, for the Death Korps of Krieg are lookin' good. I'm talking about Forgeworld resin, not the poor models who look like they lost their Gellar Field on their trip through the warp. If Forge World made a Pinkie Pie model, I would frickin' have her crewing the Basilisk.
Strike that. She's a Deathstrike kinda girl. T-Minus five minutes to PARTY HARD! And counting.
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I am Alpharius.
I have recently made a Hydra den any can join.
Hydra Dominatus.
>>306329 Like which ones?
IS IT ME OR IS THERE A SUDDEN FLARE IN RANDOM 40K STORIES THAT DONT EVEN MAKE SENSE IN THE LAST TWO DAYS ?!
So... does the upcoming rule of No New Human fics cause any problems for this group in the future...
>>305300>>304891
There are very few Super-Heavies and D grade weapons in our gaming group and he doesn't actually have anywhere near enough Rhinos to mount the entire company in so they have to foot slog it across the table while the big guns trade fire.
He actually forgot to move his entire army throughout the battle, funny as hell in the last turn when we had wiped out the centre and left flanks of their army and he couldn't take our flanks objective and our Nid players Harridian contested his objective.
>>305294
Oh. Dude.
If CREED, then Baneblade. Or, see if you can get a Titan on loan from one of your buddies, and scout that thing right in the middle of his army. You might be a little gimmick heavy if you do that, though. Just the Baneblade, showing up to hammer at a flank, would be a good hammer and anvil with the rest of your forces. That, plus Deathstrikes, would at least give you a nice large killcount.
>>304919
He doesnt have drop pods, praise Khorne for small mercies.
He does have a Stormtalon however, but my Heldrake should make short work of that.
Or one of the many other flyers on my team will.
I've also acquired a extra Predator and another Obliterator so now I have even more Lascannons to throw at the enemy, but I'm probabally not getting any more Guard after I assemble the Deathstrike.
Except possibily CREED and maybe a Baneblade.
Has anyone here read or heard of "Love and Krieg"?
NEEDS MORE TAU!
>>304891
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of, and why I mentioned drop pods in the second post. Reserves-based armies are a pain in the rump. The best thing I can think of for them is either plenty of plasma-Russes or a couple tooled-up Vultures. Actually, would a squad or two of Valkeries do the job? Or would the SMs just be able to field too many marines for the lascannons to gun them down? I'm not too familiar with that, I usually don't go up against SMs with loads of drop pods.
Artilery's no good if the enemy can just drop-deploy right on top of you. But, if you're fighting an army that isn't drop-oriented, then you can moonscape 'em pretty good with a Deathstrike or two.
>>304772
It's only going to have a shoe-box sized hole if he's not running them in Drop Pods, which is the only way to actually run a Battle Company in Apoc. There's too much ordnance, too much 'D' weaponry being thrown around to make it worthwhile to put them in Rhinos. Drop Pods let you get closer, double-tap the footsloggers, and provide 106 Marines as a distraction while the heavy-hitters on your team get set to rock and roll.
>>304798
I don't use lost/damned, I use Chaos marines with allied guardsmen.
So I can use Deathstrikes.
As for Heldrakes, I've not tried mine out against SM yet but it took down Farsight and his one bodyguard in one turn.
As for tactics, I have a meat shield of Guardsmen and Cultists standing in front of my CSM and on a hill behind that I had two Obliterators and a Predator.
I had a Orbital Strike, the Seer Council, two Avatars and ten assault termies on my flank last battle as well as the BC.
Still, my lord did take Belial down.
>>304793
Wait, wait. You're running Lost and Dammed?
Foul traitors! How dare you turn the Emperor's most blessed gifts against... psshahahahaha, oh man. Yeah, I kinda twigged to that when you asked about the SM Battle Company. Just make sure that Deathstrikes are codex-legal for L&D armies. Also, they're freakin' expensive. 1 Deathstrike is $60, I'm pretty sure, and if you really wanna mop the floor, you're gonna want 2 or 3 of 'em.
Or, one Deathstrike and a couple of Basalisks. Manticores are iffy, they eat blobs but SM's are hardier stuff. I'd recommend you have a ton of blob guard out front to soak bullets while the artillery gets cocked and ready in the back row.
Also, watch out for deep strikes. If he's smart, he'll try to land a drop pod right on top of your artillery park, or sneak some Termies in. Bring along an Officer of the Fleet, and you can make him re-roll which side of the board he brings his guys in from. Not sure what to do about drop pods, though. Bottom line, if you're going heavy artillery, make it a surprise. Pay that extra 20 or so points for camo netting, unless you have Fantastic Obscuring Cover. Otherwise he's going to longrange you with a Conversion Beam or something. (Also, if you really wanna troll, bring along a Master of Ordinance. One more mini-basalisk will only help, and it's Apocalypse so you won't notice the points. Hopefully.)
One awesome thing about Apocalypse games is that the models are usually crammed in on top of each other on a small board. If you know he's only got about 5ft by 3ft or less to deploy in, then bring a squad or two of Leeman Russ Executioners, your usual dudes, and 2 Deathstrikes. If Tzeench is with you, you'll roll well and wipe out 2 big ole pieplates worth of his dudes, then follow it up infantry backed with armor.
A question. I've seen Heldrakes used to great effect on SMs at my FLGS. Have you tried them?
>>304772
A bit of revenge is in order for the next Apoc game at Easter then...
Finally I get to see the look on his face after I blow his army up like he did to my own Guardsmen/Chaos last battle.
>>304744
Dude, it's an 8in-12in pieplate of death that ignores cover saves by default. It's AP 1. It's gonna cremate all those Termies and footslogging Space Marines, and it deals its full strength of 10 to anything inside that huge pieplate. Unless you really screw up on the scatter roll, you're gonna wipe out their command squad and evaporate most of their heavies. It's mainly a psychological tool, like Sly Marbo. The enemy has to space out his guys massively to avoid offering up a juicy target for your Chimera-portable ICBM, which means they can't offer as much covering fire for one another as they should.
If the dice are with you and you can chuck it on turn 2, then it's like an I-WIN button. That Battle Company is gonna have a shoebox-shaped hole in the middle of it. If not, and you can't haul it out till turn 6, then you can still atomize whatever's been annoying you. In my experience, a couple of Basilisks are better, just chuck ammo downrange and moonscape 'em. Still, Deathstrike is a great way of scaring the tar out of the opposition.
Oh, wait. Apocalypse? As in, 7000 and up points-wise?
Psssh. Bring three Deathstrikes. Proxy your commander with Pinkie Pie. Wipe. The. Board.
Then send in the reserves!
>>303005
Speaking of Deathstrikes, how much of a Space Marine Battle Company can you kill with one in a Apoc game?
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>>303005
Fair enough. I'm still pissed at the squad of Sternguard I got who's pauldrons were so Slaaneshi I had to use regular plastic.
Note to self: But pack of Forge World MkIV armor, use as Sternguard.
>>303004
Pewter is a bit much to ask of Hasbro, but praise the Emperor and pass the Promethium, for the Death Korps of Krieg are lookin' good. I'm talking about Forgeworld resin, not the poor models who look like they lost their Gellar Field on their trip through the warp. If Forge World made a Pinkie Pie model, I would frickin' have her crewing the Basilisk.
Strike that. She's a Deathstrike kinda girl.
T-Minus five minutes to PARTY HARD! And counting.