Whelp, Things Sure Got Heated Now, Didn't They? · 4:14pm Jul 12th, 2014
Uh... hey everyone. If you didn't already know, last night I made a blog about the intolerance that is RealityCheck. This stirred up some controversy. Not so much in people supporting RC for his views, but more on the other hand of me getting involved in the first place. In hindsight, not getting involved probably would've been the better idea. I almost never get involved in site drama, or at least drag you all into it. Though a mix of peer pressure and I myself being personally pissed off with RC, I actually did go ahead and make it. And then it got taken down for being an attack blog. Whelp, looks like I played a bad hand that game, I suppose.
Even at the get go when I first saw RC's blog I wasn't too particularly interested. It was just RC ranting. Again. This is a typical thing for him. But what really struck a cord past all the homophobia and bigotry was his views that all atheists are inherently evil and if it wasn't for a Christian society showing them right from wrong then any atheist out there would become the next Stalin or Mao. This... is such utter fucking bullshit that on one of the few rare occurrences I was pissed off at the internet. This almost never happens.
Now see here is that for most of my life I was pretty much in the grounds of atheist/agnostic. I didn't really believe in God yet I wasn't 100% sure he wasn't real either. My parents, who grew up in a communist country, didn't really care about religion or what my viewpoints of it are. So for most of my life I was indifferent.
Skip to college where I met up with some visiting family members visiting from Europe, who told me that I didn't know the difference between right or wrong and that when I die I'll burn in hell. This was just after my girlfriend of nearly a year died when a drunk driver ran her over. I blamed myself for the longest time because I guilt-tripped myself into thinking I could have done something to prevent her from going out that day. And then with my family members telling me I am evil because I don't believe in God, it drove me over the edge to the point that I really did think I was going to hell and that I was a piece of shit.
Nowadays I'm better, but damn was that time one of the most depressing moments of my life where I actually attempted to take my own life. And RC's comment, for whatever intents or purposes, reminded me of that. He reminded me of the uncaring people who were supposed to be my family who manipulated me into thinking I am going to hell right after one of the most important people in my life just died. In the end, this pissed me off far greater than I thought, and so the blog was made as a big ol' middle finger fuck you to RC.
So... yeah. I'm not sorry to RC for making the blog, but I'm sorry to you, my followers and friends, if you were negatively impacted by it. Sorry if you're disappointed in me. Sorry if you're pissed off I wasn't the neutral party again. And sorry the one time I actually gave a fuck it blew up in my face.
Idunno. Happy Spongebob gif to make everything better?
This is why I ignore blog posts.
I'm sorry that happened.
And yeah... goddamnit RC, and stuff.
Please don't act passive aggressive, Bob. It doesn't suit you.
EDIT: For anyone who thought I meant the last blog, I meant this one. Last paragraph in particular.
S'alright. Just means there's still some human left inside you from before you got converted to sponge-ness. Everybody gets pissed.
Can I like blogs? I want to like blogs.
I just wanted an excuse to get pissy at someone who everyone already hates. Keeps me sane, it does, and if it's justified I don't feel like an ass later. I don't mind, no.
It's cool, we all lose it sometimes
You saw wrong and called it out. You didn't even do it in a particularly offensive way. You just mentioned that RC was being a dick.
Giving a fuck is like giving a fuck. It's almost always going to be messy, but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing.
I fail to see how your previous Blog warrants being taken down when his is still hogging up valuable space on the internet that can be reserved for much-needed pie charts.
Sometimes it is hard to stay the neutral party, Bob. Sometimes when someone writes things that attack what is, for lack of a better word, sacred to you… we lapse in our attempts to be the better person.
For what it is worth, I saw your post (just before it was deleted) and read his blog. It was pretty disgusting (his blog, not yours); and it was certainly difficult for me to not say something. But you can't argue with people like that.
I'd love to say don't listen to the hate mongers, they are just jerks… but it is more than that, when they are jerks and assholes towards people who we know (or even ourselves), deeply love and care for… and peeps like RC hate them just for being. It's hard to say don't listen, because there are a lot of them, and that poison seeps in over time.
What is this, a bunch of ladies? You must say sorry for someone triggering your anger button? What the fuck are you doing? YOUR FANS should be sorry for lashing out at you without knowing the backstory! This is where the world is going in, and this is the wrong direction.
Yes, this was a little unlike you, but we all lose our tempers when a retard comes in with his dumb, moronic opinions.
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I actually just want to move past this and just forget about it.
It's funny he should say that. I don't think of any agnostic or atheist group wage war on others. Also, Hitler was a God fearing man, supposedly; the same could be said of Slobodan Milosevic (thought to Orthodox Catholic) and Omar Quadafi (devout Muslim.) Funny, no?
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Agreed.
~Skeeter The Lurker
I am very sorry all of that happened to you. As a Christian, it makes me upset when people who call themselves Christians use God as a weapon instead of actually listening to what Jesus said about being kind and helpful to others. But sadly, there will be jerks in every group of people
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Nooo... That blog was an attack blog through and through.
Bob dun fucked up with it and apologized.
~Skeeter The Lurker
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I'm not apologizing to RC, just you guys. RC can still go fuck himself for all I care.
Your fans were disappointed in you because you were angry at someone who was being a total dickbag.
Wow how fucking ironic.
Leave the drama tracking to the drama tracking profile you all graciously showed us, friendo.
Be at peace, and fix your mind on the crystal sponge.
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I don't think that Scootaloo emote thingie has ever been more accurate.
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I know. That's what I was saying.
I'd honestly find my way to Florida and slap you if you apologized to him.
~Skeeter The Lurker
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Damn, life seemed so much simpler when you could do what you wanted and everyone ignored you.
I know I'm a bit of a firebrand, but I have trouble seeing the problem except from a position of absolute pacificism. RC said something bad, you pointed it out, made a quite reasonable suggestion that we pillory him for it.
He has every right to say stupid things, and we have every right to call him out for it. You did not call for threats, violence, intimidation, or other forms of censorship.
You know, what you could do instead is just point out the things he's saying and not make a call for action. Just provide links.
I don't suggest this as some sort of slimy loophole - there's a fine yet important distinction between an attack blog advocating action and a blog pointing out the bad behavior of another person and leaving it up to people to decide what to do with that information.
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It's based on the false premise that a godly person will fear eternal/extended punishment after death and therefore never do anything bad.
It ignores, of course, the fact that people have consistently and constantly reinterpreted holy books to justify whatever they happen to believe in and are doing at the time. Religion was no more a break on Hitler than it would have been on Stalin or Mao Zedong – people in power do what people in power have always done since the beginning of time.
Respect restored.
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First of all,
I'd like to apologize for the harshness of my comment on your blog post last night. Regardless of whether I am right or wrong, it was not worded well and was far too harsh on you. Although I tried to temper that in my comment, i'm aware that it still had a 'shut up this is annoying' tone to it. For that I am sorry for having
Second off.
Apology accepted and I totally understand why you blew the gasket. RC is an idiot and his kind of people are the ones who give Christians a bad name. If someone walked up to me and did that... well I'd be pretty pissed to. Considering your personal history... I think your response is remarkably mild. So I understand why you wrote the blog and why you got angry and 'gave a fuck." There's nothing wrong with getting angry and giving a f*ck. Just how do you give a f*ck and you've already apologized for that so no worries.
Have a:
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I'm an atheist(/agnostic) myself, so I've seen almost exactly this situation before. Honestly, it gets old.
Not faulting you here, because to me you didn't really do anything wrong, but eventually the half of me that cared about opinions from people like RealityCheck withered away and died a gruesome death while wallowing in despair and neglect in a dark, grimy room.
So, yeah.
2277270 Which is why it severely pisses me off when people "interpret" the Bible in their own ways so they can feel justified when they do something terrible like what Hitler did as well as many other terrible, and on a much,much,much,much smaller scale...so has Reality Check.
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Well, even taking the Bible as written, there's a lot of internal justification of genocidal acts. A lot of Christians today will even admit to it - when God does something we view as "bad", that's okay, because God is the ultimate source of morality.
When your attitude is giving up your moral sense to another entity's discretion, it's trivial to then commit crimes if you believe is in that entity's name.
For instance, Jewish children in Israel given the story of the slaughter and enslavement of Jericho by the Israelites will call it just and righteous, but given an identical story trussed up in Chinese history and they'll call it monstrous. One of them satisfied their religious background, the other did not.
Am I saying all religion is bad? No. I'm saying that calling religious belief a strict moral guide and condemning atheists for not having a God is absurd.
2277303 I agree with your point on RC. Basically, when I read his comment about the "Real Jesus", I immediately thought of how Jesus taught the Beatitudes and Loving Thy Neighbor. Also, I mentioned a letter Peter wrote, or maybe it was Paul, in it, he mentions a man loving another man. Theologians have two interpretations when he says abomination, one is that heterosexual men shouldn't experiment, or homosexual men should stay true to their partners.
2277349 Well I want to agree with that, really I do but...while I don't think that Atheists are bad people at all, I don't believe they can go to heaven...as much as I want to I can't...just how I raised.
Sorry.
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Just how you were raised? That's an interesting way to abrogate your moral responsibility.
Why do you believe someone who isn't bad deserves to go to hell?
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My heart broke reading this, I just, I can't even imagine that kind of pain. I lost my sister at a very young age actually and I wasn't impacted by it because my memory was strangely still forming. Either that or I had locked away that I had a sister at all as a defense mechanism. For I saw her picture everywhere in the house and actually had to ask "Who's that?" Even though I apparently saw my sister dead right before my eyes.
Now that I'm more aware, I don't think death would be something I could handle all that well. Or 'lock away' as I did before somehow.
So you have my condolences in that retrospect dear.
Because even if I forgot, my mother never did. Just two days ago was her death anniversary as well.
If you're wondering when this happened. I was about seven. I don't know, make of it as you will. ;;;
Either way I'm proud of you for actually standing up this time to say your opinion on things. If something truly upsets you, saying as to why in a blog can be very helpful.
You're not the only one who's had bad experiences involving girlfriends and religion, RainbowBob.
Here, have a hug.
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2277363 I know... Jesus (I'm catholic btw). Is merciful. Reality Check though takes Jesus's stern stance against sin and twists it to say that we should attack people for it. But really, while Jesus is strict at times, he is almost always tempered by mercy, which pisses me off that people like RealityCheck do this and become the face of Christianity :P
I didn't know that about Peter or Paul. Might have to check that out.
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...dude, that's completely bonkers. If we didn't know what had happened, how could we have adjusted our response?
(also, please note that in the deleted post I was completely neutral, and commented on tangential, nearly unrelated issues).
it's not about the anger, it's about site rules; as far as I know, it's forbidden to make posts explicitly asking others to attack or inconvenience someone.
For example, when Para makes a scathing, vitriol filled, 10 M HCl post, he doesn't say at the end: and then go downvote this story!, which is why he can get away with it.*
*I don't actually think that what he does is a bad thing, and I actually think he plays an important role in the site's ecology; but please note that recently, he's actually asked his followers to NOT reflexively downvote stuff he links to.
This is just my take on it, but when it comes to people making public statements that are controversial, highly offensive towards specific people, and the speaker saying all of that has a very established reputation of being biased towards all of that and evidently proud of that fact, I calmly smile and remember that they're spending so much time and effort to spout their stances on all those topics...on a site about fanfiction based on a cartoon show about pastel midget horses that exists only to sell little plastic doll figurines. The very idea of trying to be taken seriously or even be respected for saying such things on a site based on a show whose target audience is elementary level girls cracks me up all the time. Probably helps me stay sane in some way, too.
2277367 >Implying there is even a god in the first place.
Alsom if you think someone is going to hell for not believing your god makes you the first in the line to sit on the delvil' lap.
2277370 I never said they deserve it it's just...I was also taught that those who deny god will be denied in front of him...I know it's not fair but, I can't just instantly shrug off things that I have been taught since I was born.
I won't treat anybody any different than I do anyone else for any reason because that's my personal belief but like I said...things I have been taught and believed in for a long time are not easily forgotten.
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Well, isn't that a problem?
If it isn't fair, does that not conflict immediately with Justice?
As someone who has had to watch people be silent on people like RC too many times, even when those kind of people have belittled, abused, and attacked people like me all our lives, I thank you for making that blog, RainbowBob, and am still proud of you.
Bobby. *hug*
What depresses me about RC's behavior is that it reflects poorly upon Christianity as a whole. The vast majority of our number are content to live and let live peacefully for the simple fact that Christ taught us, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Well... I don't know about the beliefs the rest of you hold, but the Bible tells me that we all stink of sin equally, and most of us Christians know that, so we're inclined to sit back and shut the hell up and wait for our turn to come.
There are a very vocal minority of idiots amongst the individual sects, however, who get a lot of attention because they yell obscene and ludicrous remarks of hatred and bigotry loud enough. It gives the entire faith a bad image because we so rarely see anything reported regarding the good Christianity has done for the world, and people give it a bum rap that, for the most part, it doesn't rightly deserve.
Morons like RC only hurt their own cause. People who might otherwise be curious about the Church and religion itself are scared away by his displays of ignorance, hatred and intolerance, and they hurt more than help the spreading the Word to those who would willingly come and hear it otherwise. Rather, it would, if that's indeed the cause he's out for. Maybe he's just a professional troll or a pompous asshole and is proud of it. He certainly doesn't represent Bronydom all that well either, for that matter.
The only thing that hurts me is people knowing I'm a Christian, and associating the shit that comes off his keyboard with me because of it. Otherwise, I'd be satisfied just to ignore his stupid ass. He's a disservice to the entire human race, not to mention common decency, and should get busy going extinct already.
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I agree that being a jerk to people who don't follow your religion is wrong, but isn't the whole point of religion in general is to set a moral guide for people? If people actually follow what the bible says, they would know that Jesus never encouraged condemning others. He taught forgiveness, kindness, and charity, something people like RC seem to forget.
Which blog he talked about atheist? A link would be helpful ;3
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I would argue quite seriously that the original purpose for religion is to explain how the world works. Moral guidelines came after, not before.
People in the ancient world didn't understand where the world came from, so they explained it by reference to active entities beyond our immediate comprehension. Then those entities, having authority over the world, came to have authority over people's individual lives.
As horrible as RC's beliefs seem, is it bad that I happen to like his writing? I just hope this hasn't driven him away from writing on this site.
I wonder what happened to him to make him believe such things? The Buddy Jesus is probably the best view of Christians imo, since the extreme views like RC makes other Christians look bad.
2277270 Exactly. That wasn't my point exactly, but helps out a bit. Christianity does not a monopoly on moral values or virtue. Think Gandhi. I'm reminded of the axiom, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." It matters little what creed you follow, if one you do follow. What matters are the decisions you make in life.
I can completely understand how you feel bro, back when I was in my early teens I had a big set of anger issues and near-suicidal depression. having one bad decision could make me feel so guilty to the point where I had nearly ended it all on several occassions. But for the few friends I had made and the parent that was so supportive of me while I was in such a downward spiral I managed to find a way to keep going each time, either through fear of the unknown that awaited after life, or that there were people in this one that I cared about... I found a way to keep on, keeping on. Just know, we're here for you bro.
This is why I modularise mental aspects like a good OOP. I'm still favouriting his stories because they're honestly not that bad.