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  • Today
    Did Harper Lee write "Go Set a Watchman"?

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  • Tuesday
    Brooks & Warren on Showing & Telling

    I say 1 A.M. Tuesday still counts as Monday.  :derpytongue2:

    I think I’m going to post part of the introduction to each chapter of Understanding Fiction by Brooks & Warren, 3rd edition (1979), to summarize their main ideas about fiction.  This one is a digression, so you get it out of order.  In the intro to chapter 3, “What Character Reveals”, they talk about showing versus telling while talking about characters.

    (BTW, this intro to chapter 3 is completely new in the third edition (5 pages, vs. 1 in the 1st ed.)  They revised everything in the 3rd edition, even the discussions of the same stories, although those generally make the same points.)

            Warning:  They use the term “indirect” to mean “showing” and “direct” to mean “telling” when they talk about describing a character, and “direct” to mean “showing” and “indirect” to mean “telling” when they talk about dialogue. It makes some sense, since they use “indirectly describing” as a double-negative. They mean “indirectly summarizing”, which means “indirectly not directly depicting”, or “directly depicting”.

    How shall the author present his character? Directly, with a summary of his traits and characteristics [telling], or indirectly (that is, through dialogue and action [showing])?  The very nature of fiction suggests that the second method is its characteristic means, yet direct presentation is constantly used in fiction, often effectively.  Much depends upon the underlying purpose of the story and much depends upon matters of scope and scale.  If the author made every presentation of character indirectly, insisting that each character gradually unfold himself through natural talk and gesture and action, the procedure might become intolerably boring.  “The Necklace” indicates how direct presentation—and even summary presentation—can be properly and effectively used.  (Look back at the first three paragraphs of this story on page 66.)  But when he comes to the significant scenes of the story, the author of “The Necklace” discards summary in favor of dramatic presentation.

    The danger of direct presentation is that it tends to forfeit the vividness of drama and the reader’s imaginative participation. Direct, descriptive presentation works best, therefore, with rather flat and typical characters, or as a means to get rapidly over more perfunctory materials.  When direct presentation of character becomes also direct comment on a character, the author may find himself “telling” us what to feel and think rather than “rendering” a scene for our imaginative participation.  In “The Furnished Room,” for example, O. Henry tends to “editorialize” on the hero’s motives and beliefs, and constant plucking at the reader’s sleeve and nudging him to sympathize with the hero’s plight may become so irritating that the whole scene seems falsified.  Yet in D. H. Lawrence’s “Tickets, Please,” we shall see that direct commentary--and even explicit interpretation of the characters’ motives--can on occasion be effectively used by an author.

    An author’s selection of modes of character presentation will depend upon a number of things. His decision on when to summarize traits or events, on when to describe directly, and on when to allow the character to express his feelings through dialogue and action, will depend upon the general end of the story and upon the way in which the action of the story is to be developed…

    Indirect discourse [telling], like [“direct”] character summary and description, is a quicker way of getting over the ground, and in fiction has its very important uses.  Notice, for example, in “War” that the husband’s explanation of why his wife is to be pitied is indirect discourse: “And he felt it his duty to explain… that the poor woman was to be pitied, for the war was taking away her only son.” But the speeches of the old man who argues for the sublimity of sacrificing one’s son for one’s country are given as direct discourse. The importance of the old man’s speeches to the story, the need for dramatic vividness, the very pace of the story--all call for direct discourse.

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  • Sunday
    THE THING IS HERE! Reading of "Whom the Princesses Would Destroy" by obabscribbler

    The Thing That May Not be Named may now be named!

    Remember this post back in October of last year?  Called Something Not Safe for Ghost?

    That was when we raised $300 for Scribbler, to help her pay her dog Suki's medical expenses and to do a reading of GhostOfHeraclitus' story "Whom the Princesses Would Destroy".

    I imagined that she'd read the story a few times, come up with some voices, then sit down and record it.

    But things got a little out of hoof.

    I think at 20 or 30 people have worked on this now.  Here is chapter 1in all its glory:

    Thanks to Scribbler, the cast, and everyone who worked on this.  And thanks to those who raised the money!  I think that's yamgoth, Arcshod, RBDash47, Super Trampoline, Horse Voice, horizon, Bradel, RandomString, toafan, Augie Dog, Skywriter, and me.  If I don't have you on that list, it's because you contributed under one of those funny human names that are so hard to remember.

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  • 1w, 13h
    The triple con: Trotcon, Capclave, Bronycon

    I told myself I wouldn't drive out to Columbus for another convention, but I'm doing it again this weekend, going to Trotcon.  And after that, Capclave in Pittsburgh.  And after that, Bronycon.  When it rains, it pours.

    I might be on ROBCakeran53's 7pm Friday writing panel, if I get there in time.

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  • 1w, 15h
    A note about the thing

    Remember the thing we can't talk about?  From way back last year?

    ...yeah.  That thing.

    We still can't talk about it.  It... escalated.  But it is coming.  Yea, verily, it cometh, like a pony in the night.  Or so I'm told.

    (Except not in the night.  More likely in the early morning.  I think it's on London time.)

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  • 1w, 15h
    Neighrator Pony reads "Beauty and the Beast"

    Neighrator Pony is back again with a reading of Chapter 3 of Bedtime Stories, "Beauty and the Beast"!  This one's a little sad.  The Ponytrician says, "If your aim was to make me laugh, and then feel bad about laughing: mission accomplished! :unsuresweetie:"

    Actually it's been up for, like, a month.  He did all 3 chapters in a few days.  I thought I'd space out the announcements.

    ... maybe I overdid it.

    What do I know?  I'm just a bidoofershy.

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  • 1w, 3d
    On the value of higher education

    I've been posting something every Monday and Thursday evening for a few weeks now.  Are you more likely to read my posts if they come out on a regular schedule?  Did anybody even notice?


    When I was in college, I routinely took 6 or 7 courses a semester, and I was a full-time student for 15 years.  I have degrees in math, computer science, and bioinformatics, and minors in writing, linguistics, neuroscience, psychology, and cognitive science.  I also studied a lot of molecular biology.

    These degrees led to jobs in math, computer science, and bioinformatics.  Yet, by a series of coincidences, I never used anything that I learned in a college class except for Unix.  Which I didn't actually learn in any class.  I had to teach it to myself for classes.  I don't know if that counts.

    After maybe 15 years of working, this week for the first time, I used something I might have learned in a college class.  The financial software I was working on needed to figure out which transactions from a single user had been added together to get a total, or as near to it as they can get.

    This is the 0/1 knapsack problem.  I studied that!  Maybe.  Okay, I don't remember studying it, but it seems like something I would have studied.  I knew what it was, anyway.

    I knew they teach a slick dynamic programming method for it in college.  But it was a memory hog, so I hacked something up that was mostly brute-force but optimized away permutations when there were duplicate values, and cut the run-time to the square root of the naive algorithm by splitting the input set in half, finding the sums of subsets in each half, and looking for pairs that added up to the desired sum.  It performed great!  Everybody was happy.

    Then I thought, I really should do the slick dynamic programming algorithm to prove that I learned something in college.  So I spent a day coding it up and tried it out.

    It was useless.  It requires time and space proportional to the input set size times the sum you're looking for, which must be expressed as an integer.  I thought it would be mostly useless; I didn't realize it would be almost completely useless, as any time the sum you're looking for is small enough to use the dynamic programming approach, the input set size is probably small enough to use brute force.  I experimented with a lot of different problems, and found few cases where the dynamic programming approach was as fast as my pseudo-brute-force approach and didn't run out of memory.

    So, basically, what I got from 15 years of college was one day of my time wasted.

    EDIT:  I lied.  To be strictly truthful, these were courses I forgot about but did use: Discrete math, differential equations, numerical approximation.  I also took a statistics course, but forgot everything in it by the time I needed it years later.


    In other news, a few months ago a doctor told me I should have a test, an angiogram, just to be safe.  How much would it cost?  The doctor had no idea.  Nobody had any idea.  If I wanted I could call up my insurance and be put on call waiting for half an hour to finally be told they had no idea.  But, hey!  Everybody wants to be safe, right?

    Today I got the bill.  Turns out it cost $7300.  Who knew?

    I'm not complaining that the test is too expensive.  They had a big room with bright lights and computer monitors and machines going "ping!"  Machines that go "ping!" cost money.  I am complaining that I would have had to file a subpoena to get a ballpark figure for what it would cost.  I was like, "Is it over $1000?  Is it bigger than a breadbox?"  Nobody knew.

    How do they not know this stuff?  Do they just make the numbers up afterwards?

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  • 2w, 21h
    Signature errors: What are they?

    I've never had a signature error.  I feel left out.  :fluttershysad:

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  • 2w, 1d
    Review of Mortality Report by Chris

    Chris does thoughtful, extended reviews on his blog, One Man's Pony Ramblings.  He finally reviewed one of my stories at length:  Ramblings on Mortality Report.  So what happens when Minnesota Nice meets Bad Horse?

    Well, he didn't like it very much:

    Mortality Report is, in a lot of ways, a very limited fic; its one that has little beyond, perhaps, a mild enjoyment of the "twist" to offer a distracted or lightly invested reader, and the wheels on the vehicle which drives it are rather too obvious for a more attentive one.

    There's some truth to that, depending on your taste.  I think the issue there is that highbrow literature has lately demanded a more slice-of-life approach.  But this is not a slice-of-life story; it's an end-of-life story, and to my thinking it's natural for lots of big thoughts, secrets, and summarizations to come out when facing the end of your life.

    I responded to Chris' comments, and said what I think are some of the key things the story does, on his blog, which is the proper place to talk about his blog post.  My own assessment of the story's problem are that:

    1. It is too slow and boring, with too much talking.  That was an unavoidable trade-off I chose to make in order to tell the story I wanted to tell.

    2. The mood is sad, and many, many readers reasoned like this:  "Celestia is immortal.  Celestia is sad.  Therefore, immortality is sad."  That's rotten logic, but that's how emotions work.  The story's emotions thus act against a message that the story contains.

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  • 2w, 3d
    Monday Musings: Pixar's Inside Out

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  • 2w, 5d
    Relentlessly Optimistic Minuette

    I don't cross-post much, but Aquaman's post Relentlessly Optimistic Minuette Ruins Your Dramatic Fanfic Plots will take about 2 minutes to read and may be the most fun thing you'll do today.  Don't read the comments until you've tried to pick out the stories yourself; they've all been figured out.

    The fake Minuette quotes remind me of my mom.  Once I sent her a Grumpy Cat meme, and all she said was, "I've always thought green eyes were pretty!"

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  • 2w, 6d
    Story tag results simplified

    I did a terrible job of explaining how to interpret the results I presented in my last blog post.  Let me try again, without so much math.  There's an easier way to interpret the results for the binary independent variables.  (The tags. 'Binary independent variables' = 'tags'.)

    But first, snu-snu math!  (You can skip to the end if you hate math and understanding things.)

    The most important difference between using the equation

            Eq. 1: views = b1 * Adventure + b2 * Comedy + b3 * Romance

    and

            Eq. 2: ln(views) = b1 * Adventure + b2 * Comedy + b3 * Romance [1]

    is that equation 1 says that each different independent variable (things like tags) adds a constant to the number of expected views, while equation 2 says it multiplies the prediction by a constant.  Equation 1 doesn't work for fimfiction because if MarySue3235 puts a 'Romance' tag on her story, and Pen Stroke puts a 'Romance' tag on his story, the number of additional viewers drawn in by adding that tag will be larger for Pen Stroke's story.


    [1] I used b1, b2,... instead of a1, a2, ... this time because these coefficients are usually called beta coefficients, and represented by a beta, which is the Greek letter 'b'.  'ln' means the same thing as 'log', it's just more specifically saying "logarithm base 2.718".


    That works like this:

            ln(views) = b1 * Adventure + b2 * Comedy + b3 * Romance

            e^ln(views) = e^[ b1 * Adventure + b2 * Comedy + b3 * Romance ]

    "ln(views)" means "the number you have to raise e to the power of to get views", so e^ln(views) = views.  e^[a + b + c] = (e^a)*(e^b)*(e^c).  So

            views = e^(b1 * Adventure) * e^(b2 * Comedy) * e^(b3 * Romance)

    For tags, like Romance, the value is either 0 or 1.  If it's 0, e^(b3 * 0) = e^0 = 1, so there's no effect on views.  If it's 1, the predicted number of views gets multiplied by e^(b3 * 1) = e^b3.

    So.  Take that table of regression beta coefficients (the bi variables) from my last post, and change each of the binary ones to the multiplying factor e^bi :

    TAG              BETA    e^BETA

    _______________________________

    Ad              -0.260   0.77

    Co               0.192   1.21

    Ro               0.306   1.36

    Hu               0.465   1.59

    Tr              -0.115   0.89

    celestia         0.100   1.10

    chrysalis        0.803   2.23   (this was shortly after her introduction)

    cmc              0.125   1.13

    daring_do        0.243   1.28   (not long after her introduction)

    dinky            0.374   1.45

    discord         -0.043   0.96

    main_6           0.182   1.20

    oc              -0.477   0.62

    twilight         0.211   1.24

    completed        0.215   1.24

    oneshot         -0.085   0.92

    Now we have a simple interpretation for each of these tags:  

    - The Comedy tag multiplies expected views by 1.21

    - The OC tag multiplies expected views by 0.62

    and so on.

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  • 3w, 14h
    What tags correlate with popularity on Fimfiction

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  • 3w, 3d
    Twenty Minutes read by Illya Leonov

    Found this in my inbox last Friday:

    I mean no impertinence....

    ...but if you will excuse my forwardness, I am recording one of your stories. I hope you are okay with that. It is "Twenty Minutes." It seems to suit my voice and style. I am recording it solo with no additional actors. Since there is only one female voice and it is a short piece I elected to do it myself. I will advise you when it is posted. Thank you for writing it and thanks in advance for allowing me to record it.   -Illya Leonov

    This is like Francis Ford Coppola calling on the phone and saying, "Terribly sorry, but that book you wrote, I'd like to make it into a movie."  You know those lists some folks have on their user pages with their pony-goals?  If I had one, the aching empty unchecked box would've been "Have a story read by Illya Leonov."


    Check!

    mp3 download (turn off your sound if you're at work, then click through and download)




    He also sent me a review, but modesty forbids--aw, who am I kidding?

    This is quite a little masterpiece. I generally never know how good they really are until the final edit. Usually when I am recording and even before, I mostly pay attention to the mechanics of the story, phrasing, intonation and the like. At the very end I finally listen to the story itself and this is a true gem. Such wondrous sentiments. I found myself wishing I had a little foal of my own, just to keep it safe.  You have done well.

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  • 4w, 17h
    Thursday thoughts: My Princeton interview

    That Princeton fan-fiction course that covered "The Magician and the Detective" finally posted my interview on their blog… 2 weeks after the course ended, so nobody read it.  But you can!  It was posted here, but no point going there.  You can’t leave comments there, and the slightly-improved version is right here:

    AN INTERVIEW WITH BAD HORSE

    by Evan Cole, Cara Hedlund, A. J. Ohiwerei, and Chet Reyen

    Thank you very much for agreeing to interview us! We’re fans of your work – the “The Magician and the Detective” was assigned in our class as required reading, and we thoroughly enjoyed it – and we were looking to get your perspective on both the FiM [My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic] fandom and fanfiction writing in general.

    Cara: What is your process for writing fanfiction?

    Sometimes my starting idea is something one character and no one else would do (“It’s a Trap!”, “No Regrets”, “The Quiet One”, “Fluttershy’s Night Out”). Sometimes they’re character-independent propositions or “high concepts” (“Interior Design Alicorn”, the central analogy in “Keepers”). Sometimes they’re just moods (“All the Pretty Pony Princesses”) or plots (“The Mailmare,” stolen from David Brin). “Pony Play” began with the mood that Jeanette Winterson’s Written on the Body left me in. “Elpis” was a reaction against Harlan Ellison’s “The Deathbird.”

    I think the best ideas are two or more of these things simultaneously, inextricably. “Experience” is a concept that applies to only one character (the one pony who loves sunrises the most can never really experience them herself). “Corpse Bride” is a plot that hinges on Twilight’s arrogance. “Bedtime Stories” is a subversion gimmick, but also a character. “Moments” began with a mood of desperate tenacity that’s half heroism and half Twilight’s obsessive-compulsive neuroticism.

    For long stories I write an outline. For tricky stories I may start at the end and write backwards to the beginning.  When I start, I know the plot, but usually not the themes.  If I’m lucky, a theme emerges.  “Moments” turned out to be about Twilight believing she couldn’t be a princess or a mother. “Magician and Detective” turned out to be about pride, racism, and self-loathing. “Mailmare” turned out to be partly about pragmatism versus morality. “Alicorn Cider” turned out to be about… feudalism, I think.

    I do want my stories to be about something. Very old-fashioned of me. My opinions on what makes something a story, as opposed to just a narrative or something published in The Atlantic Monthly, are like those expressed by Cleanth Brooks and Robert Penn Warren in their excellent (really, you should read them instead of this) books Understanding Fiction and An Approach to Literature: Fiction is an imaginative enactment of life which increases our knowledge of the possibilities of the self. A piece of fiction represents the writer’s ideas and feelings about life and its meaning. A short story should usually have a plot and a theme, where parts of the plot symbolize parts of the theme. We inhabit the characters, feel the plot as they push on and are pushed by it, and through the plot, we feel the theme that it symbolizes. (Some good stories don’t fit this pattern. Many bad ones don’t.)

    Tony Earley said it more simply: “A story is about a thing, and another thing.” See “The story isn’t over when you wrap up the plot.”

    When I finish the “first draft” (after rewriting most sentences several times), I send it to a few people and hope one of them can tell me what it’s about. Once I know, I rewrite it. I may set it aside for weeks until I figure out what it’s missing, or how to fix some structural problem. Sometimes I never do.

    Between stories, the idea that I could type interesting words about fake people seems absurd. Samuel Johnson and Robert Heinlein said that anyone who writes for anything but money is a fool. But nowadays, the person who writes for money is also a fool. Ipso facto, writers are fools.  I know writing is impossible; I try not to write; somehow, like a wino waking up in the gutter, I always find myself doing it again.

    I never sit down to a blank page with no idea what to write. The story has to make me write it. I don’t get writer’s block. I get writer’s fork, when I have to choose one story path and set aside all the others.  I'm always either knitting or unravelling.  If you're lost in the woods and don't know how to go forward, you did something wrong; go backwards.  (Unless you're actually and not metaphorically lost in the woods; then you should probably sit down and wait for someone to find you.)

    I don’t “write for myself”. The last time I did that, I ended up with three pages of Celestia lecturing Twilight on the connections between deism, Buddhism, Kant, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Christianity, and BDSM.  In fan-fiction, it’s just you and the readers, and you know how many read your work and what they think of it. It forced me to admit that I want a lot of people to like my stories. I want it enough to choose ideas they might like over ideas they won’t. I’m a popular writer now on fimfiction, but only because I once sat down and asked, “What can I write that people will read?”, and came up with “Twilight Sparkle and the Quest for Anatomical Accuracy” and “The Saga of Dark Demon King Ravenblood Nightblade, Interior Design Alicorn”. I prostituted myself for popularity, and it was a lot of fun, and afterwards some people hung around to read my other stories.

    (I said that I don’t write for myself, and that the story has to make me write it. These sound contradictory, but it doesn’t feel that way.  I’ve internalized my goal to write for others enough that stories compel me more when others might like them.)

    Evan: Despite mostly being based in the FiM universe, your works display a diversity of writing styles. Do you edit your works to specifically fit certain modes of writing after completion, or do you find yourself able to channel your style of choice even while working on the initial draft?

    I check afterwards  that my style is consistent, just as I check each character’s voice, but I need to find the style early on. Sometimes the style guides the story more than its seed idea does (Moments, Pony Play, Old Friends, Bedtime Stories, Elpis).

    Having a personal style is overrated. Nobody read Charles Dickens or Henry James for their style. Having a personal style only became a big deal in prose in the early 20th century, when modernists decided reality was unknowable, and so art should be about art, not about the world. Becoming famous became a matter of contributing not great art, but a new style. (This began earlier in painting, probably because of photography.)

    Ironically, this focus on art itself made it hard for art to progress, because any style distinctive enough to make one famous is too idiosyncratic to learn from. If you borrowed Van Gogh’s or Hemingway’s style, people would say “Nice Van Gogh parody” or “Nice Hemingway pastiche” without being able to notice whether your painting or story was good or bad. If it was un-ironically good, that would make it bad.

    As a result, the true importance of style is underrated. You do need the right style for the story. Different stories require different characters with different voices. Style is the voice of the story itself. The prose writer who has only one style can tell only one kind of story. Think Hemingway or Cormac McCarthy. They’re great stories, but there’s a sameness to them. The more distinctive the style, the less that can be done with it. I love Lovecraft’s mythos, but you only need to read one Lovecraft story. They’re all basically the same.

    The fetishizing of style has conspired with the agendas of literary critics and publishers to focus our attention on writers with narrowly-constrained minds, like Hemingway, [1] Thomas Pynchon, Charles Bukowski, or Philip K. Dick, who wrote beautiful stories but circled obsessively around the same few themes over and over. They can be more easily summarized, shelved, and sold than Carson McCullers, Truman Capote, or Karen Joy Fowler.

    Bruce Lee allegedly said of martial arts, “The man who is really serious, with the urge to find out what truth is, has no style at all,” meaning he knows and can use many styles at will. The architect Bjarke Ingels said that your style is the sum of your inhibitions.

    Cara: Is there any writing you’ve produced that you’ve been disappointed with stylistically, or that you wish you could edit now that it’s up publicly?

    Maybe “Friends, With Occasional Magic.” “Mailmare” has some flat, sparse sections. “Happy Ending” is dry. But those bother me only because the story and the style sag in the same place.

    I often do edit my old stories. Sometimes I incorporate suggestions from readers.

    Chet: When you decide to write a work of fanfiction, do you generally create a narrative scenario based on the world you want to write about, or do you instead pick a particular facet of the source material to focus on? For instance, in The Magician and the Detective, I found the discussion of ‘cutie marks’ as they related to Holmes, as well as his interaction with magic, to be particularly interesting consequences of the existence of the character within the world of FiM. Do concepts such as these motivate you to write specific stories, or are they simply natural functions of transposing characters into alternate universes?

    More the latter for me. They’re the things that mold themselves around the story once I’ve cast it in the FiM universe. I’ve asked some authors to de-ponify their stories for a non-pony anthology, and it turns out that the better a story is, the more tightly everything in it holds together, and the harder it is to de-ponify.

    Evan: Have you noticed any particular trends within the themes, style, or content of FiM fanfiction as the years have passed and the fandom has evolved? What about fanfiction in general? Do you tend to adapt your own writing to match these trends, or has your artistic vision remained largely constant?

    I can’t think of any definite trends. I don’t read in other fandoms because I don’t know how to find the good stuff in the slush pile. I don’t think I have an artistic vision beyond wanting to make my readers cry the sweet, sweet brony tears that I feed on.

    A.J: In your blog post about Fallout: Equestria, you mention that published books are required to endorse certain lies and omit certain truths while also abiding by a set of rules about plot structure that can never be broken. In your own fanfiction writing, do you find yourself defying these conventions in the way that Fallout: Equestria does? If so, in what ways and why? Do you think that fanfiction is a medium that generally abides by these conventions or subverts them?

    I tried to in “Mortality Report”, in which Celestia’s immortality forces her to see how being nice to today’s ponies is cruel to their descendants, but most readers subverted my subversion. In “Mailmare”, the good (save the world) and the just (punish the guilty) turn out to be mutually exclusive. But usually, just writing a good conventional story is hard enough for me.

    But if you choose to either observe or subvert a convention, you’ve already yielded to it.  You’re still bound by its assumptions.  Few people can escape these chains of thought intentionally; it almost has to be done out of ignorance.

    For example, Tolkien said, “A fantasy world is one in which moral and magical law have the force of physical law.” (See my post “Fantasy as deontology”.) If you act virtuously, a fantasy world’s karmic forces will conspire to give you victory in the end. That’s the point of classic fantasy. They’re all about that one scene near the end where Frodo lets Gollum go, or Luke switches off his targeting computer, and the virtuous fool defeats the pragmatist.

    Contemporary writers may subvert that trope, writing gritty fantasies where awful things happen to good guys, or everything is shades of grey. But to do so they must assume that the world should have karmic justice, and so their subversions are cynical, bitter, and post-modern.

    Fallout: Equestria never invoked that logocentric expectation of the world, and so went beyond modernism in a way that post-modernism never could, just by honestly not caring about its concerns. Many fan-fiction writers would say, if they thought about it, that the two-thousand year old artistic tradition of seeking the logos, and the one-hundred year old tradition of angsting about its disappearance, are equally silly. They never expected there to be a logos in the first place.

    Fan-fiction writers aren’t just writing outside the box. They may not know there is a box. They’re re-inventing literature almost from the ground up, not by theory, but often blindly, by Darwinian evolution. They birth hundreds of thousands of hopeful monsters, some few of which crawl, swim, or fly in strange new ways.

    Evan: As a fanfiction writer who writes primarily in the FiM fandom, why do you think that the franchise has succeeded to such a great extent in an age group that was not meant as its target market? Typical reasons given for FiM’s success with older fans focus on its intelligent writing and mature themes, as well as Hasbro’s healthy relationship with and encouragement of the “brony” community. Do you agree that these aspects of FiM are what has made the series so popular among adults?

    I wouldn’t call the show’s themes “mature” if that means “too complex for children to understand.”  But I wouldn’t call shows made for adults mature, either. There’s a very limited market for mature stories, maybe not enough to support a TV show. We sacrificed the word “mature” years ago just to have a shorthand for sex and violence, and nobody complained. [2]

    My post “Why the New My Little Pony is 20% Cooler” suggests some story-based reasons for its popularity. These include:

    – not wasting (much) time fighting villains, who suck up screen time without developing anybody’s character

    – characters who each have lives, goals, careers, and problems of their own

    – rejecting the Aristotelian idea that characters have “strengths” and “flaws”, in favor of the idea that characters fit or fail to fit their qualities into a social context

    Another reason is that adult shows today are edgy, ironic, and full of derisive humor. It’s hard to find something nice. Sometimes South Park just isn’t funny enough to make up for the pain of watching it. Sometimes a guy gets back from his third tour in Iraq and just wants to watch ponies for a while.

    I think anime paved the way for MLP. Japanese culture lets men appreciate cuteness. It’s given us a weird blend of cuteness and violence for years, in anime like Pokemon, One Piece, or Madoka Magica (an anime about schoolgirls who giggle, wear frilly clothes, angst about their crushes, and die horribly in magical fights to the death).

    Thanks for getting this far!


    [1] I originally included Flannery O’Connor in this list because nearly all of her stories that I’ve read are about some person who acts very foolishly and then either dies or causes someone else’s death at the end, in a sudden final orgasm of despair.  I took her off the list because her reputation is very high and she’s written a lot of things I haven’t read.  Your thoughts?

    [2] I didn’t want to get into the question of whether Hasbro’s relationship with bronies is “healthy”.

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  • 4w, 3d
    Monday musings: Raymond Carver on art

    Art isn't self-expression.  Art is communication.

                                                                  - Raymond Carver

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    Computers now better surrealists than Frenchmen

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  • 5w, 18h
    Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie Part III: Rebellion

    I said I'd post something every Thursday, didn't I?  Fortunately I sneakily wrote this ahead of time in case I put it off until the last moment.


    No cow is too sacred for me to tip.  I’ve insulted Shakespeare, Hemingway, Joyce, Flannery O’Connor, William Faulkner, and Philip K. Dick.  Now I’ve finally worked up the courage to take on

    Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie Part III: Rebellion

    There are a lot of things to like about this movie!  The animation is continually fresh and compelling, maybe even more so than in the TV series.  The characters aren’t developed any more from the original, and the main character (Homura, not Madoka) is even taken down a notch and made into more of a plot device, but they’re still good characters.  The plot builds on the fine structure of Madoka Magica, and it has three nice twists. In fact, this movie has everything going for it, except for the climax which everything else in the movie exists only to support. That part sucks.

    But it sucks in an interesting and illustrative way.

    You can write a story, like a computer program, top-down or bottom-up.  Top-down means starting with the big picture:  the themes, the character arc, the target audience demographics.  Bottom-up means starting on the ground, with little pieces:  a lamppost in a forest (the image CS Lewis claimed began the Narnia chronicles), a hobbit-hole.

    The top is where ideas have significance. The ground is where the concrete events that inspire emotions in monkeys happen.  Writers call the top-down writers “plotters” and the bottom-up writers “pantsers” (writing by the seat of their pants). (They probably call them something different in England.)

    Stories written bottom-up have characters and story that develop naturally and feel real, but they often wander without focus and might not seem to have much of a point.  Stories written top-down have a tight plot structure, and a theme, if the author wants one, but their characters are often wooden and their events feel plotted.

    Animators are visually-oriented people.  They think of scenes, or even of exactly how somebody turns his head when startled or jumps when she’s happy.  They’re trained to think this way; Walt Disney said every movement by every character must convey that character’s personality.

    That’s why films made entirely by animators, like Double Rainboom or the short films of the Quay brothers, are beautiful and suck.  They start at the bottom and never look up.

    If you start at the top, you’ve gotta connect to real, believable situations and events at the bottom. And that’s where PMMMtMPIII makes its epic, face-grinding fail.

    The climax, where the story reaches out and grabs you, has to connect the top and the bottom.  Hamlet’s long-brooded rage bursts out in a sudden bloodbath, re-asking the question whether ‘tis nobler to suffer outrageous fortune, or by opposing end it.  Aslan is crucified killed, then resurrected, conveying Lewis’ theme that the Bible is true.  Darth Vader is what, you don’t know?.  The plotter can studiously tie together scenes and plot points according to the advice of Jack Bickham, but it won’t make anybody feel anything unless somewhere among the things on the bottom being connected together is a beating, bleeding heart.

    PMMMtMPIII didn’t have that.

    I know it didn’t have that because the climax was obviously written entirely, 100% top-down. The writer said, “At the climax, Homura has to die because it’s the only way to save Madoka, and Madoka has to die because it’s the only way to save Homura, and then the Power of Friendship will overcome all of the anybody having to die for anybody, because that is the most-emotional thing possible!” Then he spun out a bunch of Trekkish technobabble to pretend that was a coherent plot instead of three mutually-inconsistent statements.

    The problem isn’t the technobabble or the logic.  The problem is the climax was planned entirely in the abstract and has no connection to real events or necessities. The abstract conditions the climax was supposed to meet were not even theoretically possible of being realized in any concrete reality, but even if they had been possible, the climax still would have sucked, because there was no blood in it.  There was no concrete image or event that inspired the climax.  Only the abstract idea that these girls really really loved each other.

    That’s not a story.  That’s a mission statement.  It didn’t make sense because there was no ‘there’ there, in the same way that an action scene description might make no sense if the author never bothered to figure out where everybody was standing.

    If you’re a huge anime nerd, you’re probably already in the comment box typing furiously: “... but the exact wording of Homura’s wish in episode 10 means that…”  Just stop. I don’t give a shit.  I don’t care if you can cobble up a post-hoc logical explanation.  I’m not even going to talk about the third plot twist where Homura becomes a demon (which the writer complained bitterly about being forced to write), because the movie had already crashed and burned by that point.  Nobody in the world watched that movie, followed the logic of your brilliant explanation and understood as a consequence the true tragedy of PMMMtMPIII.  No; they followed the tears and shouting of the magical girls and understood the only thing that the writer had understood:  These girls are all willing to die for each other.

    And then they cried.

    Or not.

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  • 5w, 3d
    Monday musings: Pony typewriters

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10th
2014

The Writer's Notebook: Craft essays from Tin House

This book is good enough that I'm going to give a brief overview of it.

Tin House

Tin House is the brash newcomer of literary magazines. It's only 15 years old, just a baby compared to the New Yorker, Harper's, The Atlantic review, or Ploughshares. But its reputation, among the literary elite, is just below the first three and about the same as Ploughshares. You can read one free story in it online per month, or you can splurge and buy The Best of Tin House, which is, after all, their best.

As I said in a previous blog, I don't like it myself. It's the same as all the other literary magazines, only more so: Stories with no plots about characters age 30-50 who muddle about in their hopelessness for ten pages, then when things are at their most hopeless, the story ends.

But The Writer's Notebook is good. Who knows, maybe their writers could write something good if they were freed from the bondage of the literary establishment.

These are its chapters:


Place

Dorothy Allison, who makes use of places in her stories much more than I do,  says that "Place is not just what your feet are crossing to get somewhere. Place is feeling, and feeling is something a character expresses." So for example, she says:

Central Florida is despair.

New York City is sex.

California is smug.

Boston has never gotten over Henry James.

Iowa city is one hotel room and a chlorine stink away from the suburbs of hell.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Hard Up for a Hard – on

Steve Almond writes about writing sex scenes. This isn't the usual how to write a sex scene chapter (yes, that's a genre); it's more a caution to remember why you're writing a sex scene. The purpose isn't always to arouse the reader. He gives one example where a character in the story writes a sex scene, and the result is unrealistic, but in ways that show us how pathetic and desperate the character is. (Because this is Tin House.) He gives another example of a sex scene that isn't arousing at all, because it's about a couple that has a terrible relationship and is desperately pretending to enjoy their sex. (Because this is Tin House.) It almost inspired me to rewrite the sex scenes in Pony Play to be less arousing. Maybe I still will someday.

Rating: :twilightblush:


When to keep it simple

Rick Bass talks about trying to fix a troublesome story by making it simpler. For example, by setting down your pencil and just saying out loud what it really is you want your character to say. Then pick your pencil and write that down and see if it works. Sometimes, the thing that you thought was complicated and deep is just a bunch of little thoughts tangled together. Sometimes a long string of quiet whole notes has more accumulated force than a quick crescendo of trumpets playing sixteenth notes.

Rating: :unsuresweetie: Rick Bass should have applied his own doctrine to his own essay. It's basically a long way of saying what I just said. And it has a bad lesson at the end, about a writing instructor who told a student that her story wasn't very interesting. She asked how to make it more interesting, and he said, "Try making yourself a more interesting person," which is possibly the laziest, least useful, and most vicious writing advice I've ever heard.


Revisioning The Great Gatsby

Susan Bell summarizes what Max Perkins said in his biography about how he edited The Great Gatsby. Perkins asked for, and got, extensive changes to the story.

- Fitzgerald deliberately made Gatsby's character vague, with the idea that realistic characters were too human, and so heroes must be vague. Perkins got him to be a little more specific.

- Perkins agreed that chapters 6 and seven sagged, and had Fitzgerald take an info dump about Gatsby's history, and spread it out over those two chapters. This illustrates an important principle that I haven't blogged about yet: Don't waste stuff that has dramatic potential. If Gatsby is a Gestapo spy, don't just tell the reader that. There's got to be a more dramatic way to find that out.

- Fitzgerald rewrote the story line by line to replace vague "deep thoughts" with specific impressions.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Character Motivation

Aimee Bender writes a treatise against stories that can be summarized,  including character motivations they can be stated in one sentence. She objects to the advice that you should know what your characters want. She thinks that you shouldn't know what your characters want, and that you should write about them doing things that you just sort of feel like they would do but don't know why. As justification, she cites famous stories in which she can't figure out straightforward cause and effect. She closes the essay with a quesitonable short story about an old woman who feeds liver to bees. I was not persuaded that her approach is anything more than a summarization of the postmodern dogma that anything that can be understood without a guidebook isn't art.

Rating: :twilightoops:


Fairy tale is form, form is fairy tale

Kate Bernheimer claims these are 4 elements of traditional fairy tales:

Flatness: Characters are flat. They have one emotion and no psychological conflict. The traumas they experience have no lasting impact on them. Some characters are named and yet have no attributes at all; they are placeholders, to complete a necessary set of three, for instance.

Abstraction: Fairy tales tell, but don't show. The settings have few colors, primarily red, white, and black.

Intuitive logic: Fairy tales don't make sense. Kate might mean something like what I said in "Fairy tales are random", but I can't tell, because this section is only two paragraphs long.

Normalized magic: No one is surprised when magical things happen.

Now the essay gets confusing. Kate listed these four properties, and now feels obligated to make some closing, unifying statement: "Fairy tales hold a key to the door fiercely locked between so-called realism and non-realism, convention and experimentalism, psychology and extraction." And so on, for three pages, but not really adding anything further.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Material

Lucy Corin says you should look for patterns in your stories by printing them out, spreading the pages out on the floor, and marking different things in different colors. Once you can see the patterns in your story, you can refine them. She uses Flannery O'Connor's story "A good Man is hard to find", which I think I've mentioned I don't like, as a case study, and managed to convince me to like it less by showing the cues in the story to say that Bailey and the serial killer are in some way the same sort of person. (She's the second writer to use Flannery O'Connor as an example, which isn't surprising, since O'Connor's stories all fit the Tin House pattern of starting out bad, getting worse, and then stopping.)

Rating: :twilightsmile:


There will be no stories in heaven

This is the second essay to use The Great Gatsby, and the second to refer to Italo Calvino. It surprises me, given the vastness of literature, that most of the references that literary types make are to a small number of works, probably less than 100 total.

Tom Grimes' idea is that every story has a clock in it that counts down and lets you know how close you are to the end. This is rather like the pickup artist trick: tell a woman, before you start talking to her, that you only have a short time, so she knows you aren't going to ramble on forever unless she asks you to and doesn't start trying to escape.

He also talks about tempo. I didn't get much more than that from this, though that may be my fault. But somebody should write a book called "Storytelling advice from pickup artists."

Rating: :twilightsmile:


The mercurial worlds of the mind

This is the third essay to talk about Italo Calvino's stories. It is rather what you would expect from an Italo Calvino fan: A string of tenuously-related bite-sized ideas that may or may not have anything inside them.

I find the literary establishments obsession with Italo Calvino annoying, because I have listened to many lecture series about fantasy, and they always talk about Italo Calvino, Jorge Luis Borges, and Gabriel Garcia Marquez. In the future they will probably also talk about Salman Rushdie. It never bothers them that almost no one who reads fantasy reads anything by any of these people except for "100 years of solitude" [1]. Italo Calvino, in my mind, represents the bait-and-switch practice of the literary establishment when they lure you in by saying they are going to talk about fantasy, science fiction, or some other thing you're actually interested in, and then talk about something else entirely, done by literary authors, thereby dismissing the entire genre as inferior attempts to do what literary authors do.

Rating: :facehoof: This essay is long and doesn't make any sense, which is why I ranted about how literary professors talk about fantasy instead.


Making a Scene

A basic idea: Story is what happens. Discourse is how you describe what happened. Summary is when story time > discourse time.

Anna Keesey contrasts unfolders like Dickens or Hemingway, whose stories are full of stuff happening, with infolders like Virginia Woolf or, in the most extreme case, Proust, who describe at length what their characters are thinking and feeling, for whom story time << discourse time. She doesn't say that one approach is better than the other, just that you should know which one you're doing, and why.  Hemingway, she says, does no "infolding" because part of his message is that the interior of characters is private and inaccessible.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Le Mot Incorrect

Jim Krusoe talks about the virtue of using the incorrect word. He suggests deliberately going overboard, trying out words that seem overwhelming or inappropriate in hopes of finding a happy mistake. I remain skeptical.

Rating: :twilightoops:


Shakespeare for Writers

Third essay to talk about Shakespeare. It reinforced my opinion of Shakespeare, which is that he is given a free pass for his many grievous mistakes, praised exorbitantly whenever he does something that is merely competent, and loved honestly only for the poetry in his plays (which always strikes me as unfair, since dramatists after Shakespeare were not allowed to write poetry in their plays). Margot Livesey spends much of her time excusing Shakespeare's sloppiness, such as that Hamlet is at most 19 in Act I, and at least 30 in Act II.

That said, the lessons taught are good ones:

- Don't be dismayed if some of your stories are at best rehearsals that will enable you to write good stories.

- Be careful how you repeat yourself, and why.

- Begin dramatically.

- Don't hold back the good stuff.

- Consider beginning in the present.

- Negotiate your own standards of plausibility. [bad advice]

– Once you've invented your rules, keep them.

– Omit appropriately.

– Don't over explain.

– Borrow, don't steal.

– Know which kind of suspense your narrative depends on.

– Be aware that form and tone govern content.

– Consider a subplot or two.

– Develop your characters as individuals and in relation to each other.

– Let the reader know which characters are major and which minor.

– Be ambitious with your language.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Lost in the Woods

This is an odd conglomeration of examinations of stories in which the main character fears social isolation. There's an excellent analysis of "Folie a Deux" by William Trevor (I guess; I never read the story). The author explains why she doesn't like stories with happy endings. (This is Tin House.) The theme that's supposed to unify the different pieces of this essay doesn't, but I don't mind. The individual pieces are insightful. A foolish consistency, and an insistence that nothing be said unless it can be fit into an essay-sized narrative, is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Rating: :twilightsmile:


Performing surgery without anesthesia

Chris Offutt writes about revision. What he says is the single best piece of advice I can give anybody about writing: Most people don't revise; they polish. They write something, and then go back and try to improve each sentence or each paragraph. What they should be doing is figuring out what the story is about, ripping it apart, throwing big hunks of it away, and pushing it around until they find the best way to make the pieces fit together.

He also has some useful tricks:

- Don't take shortcuts. You'll figure out a clever way to get away without writing chapter 4, sort of. That doesn't always mean you shouldn't write chapter 4.

- Combine characters when you have too many, and the combined character will be easier to remember and more interesting.

Rating: :yay:. Except for the part about eliminating adverbs.


(Mis)adventures in poetry

I didn't read this carefully, because it starts out by quoting William Carlos William's modernist injunction that art must "cleanse" language of all of the "dead, stinking dead, usages of the past", by jamming words into contexts where they don't fit in order to knock all those nasty, slimy connotations off of them and give, I don't know, pure strings of letters untarnished by meaning. This is the opposite of what I think poets should do. Then it talks about writing poems by gathering little bits of pretty phrases and weaving them together, because surely that will work. Then it talks about happy mistakes, of poets who retained typos in their poems, although IMHO some of these mistakes weren't very happy.

It has some useful advice about taking lines that are simple and straightforward and boring, and rewriting them:

The sun shines on the water => The sun beats lightning on the waves

But then it goes back to praising randomness and the inner muse as things that must be untrammeled by logic or design:

Young writers often ask me [very long & meaningless thing X]. What this question suggests to me is that these writers are thinking about what a poem will be like before they actually sat down to write it... How can you know what a poem will be like before it arrives on the page?

Rating: :facehoof:


The telling that shows

I reviewed it here.

Rating: :yay:


Generating fiction from history and/or fact

I could summarize this as saying that sticking just to the facts doesn't tell the truth as honestly as making stuff up that communicates the drama and importance of a true story.  "People who... Only allow themselves to be moved by stories that are directly autobiographical in their events... Mistakenly equate a plain style... with sincerity."

Rating: :twilightsmile:


1. Hush, Ghost. Look, I made you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page to read one freaking footnote. Wasn't that fun? Won't it be fun to scroll back and try to find your place again?

To the rest of you, I apologize.

#1 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

Maybe I should've posted on just one chapter at a time. :applejackunsure:

#2 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

Rating: :facehoof: This essay is long and doesn't make any sense, which is why I ranted about how literary professors talk about fantasy instead.

You sure you can't wrangle some description of the chapter out? Maybe a few extra perspectives can help you figure out what the author intended (and failed) to write about.

>>2194314 I'm gonna pre-emptively conclude that it's just bad timing and you'll have far more than 35 views and two comments on this excellent (and insightful and entertaining and fun- :pinkiecrazy:) review somewhen tomorrow.

#3 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

>>2194314

I'm not going to lie. It is one hell of an MWoT (Mighty Wall o' Text). I tl;dr'd it. It was too much for me to handle.

I'm sorry :,(

Buuuuuuuuuut...

That last little bit right at the end right there gives me ideas for a hilarious and undoubtedly offensive post that might be disingenuous or not, and will likely derail things.

Sounds like fun, eh? ^.^

#4 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

Ok, fine. I will concentrate all my mental power on reading your review, despite the fact that it's reviewing something that's adult literature, meant for someone my age and older, and not filled with attention grabbing coloured pictures.

It will probably hurt (why do you think I avoid most of these types of your blogposts?).

Then, depending on how convincing you are, BH, I might buy the book, only to be sorely pissed when Ramona Flowers is not the one to deliver it in 5 minutes and instead I will have to pick it up at the post office 5 weeks later because no one was at my house to sign for it 2 weeks earlier.

Then I will go on an immature rant on putrid bloody disgusting footnotes.

Rating:  This essay is long and doesn't make any sense, which is why I ranted about how literary professors talk about fantasy instead.

Want some Dexedrine? It helps me concentrate and keeps me from wandering everywhere and touching things. It's great for helping me get shit done.

It's next level Ritalin.

#5 · 58w, 3d ago · 2 · ·

>>2194506

Want some Dexedrine? It helps me concentrate and keeps me from wandering everywhere and touching things.

It sounds like it's more important for you to have it... more important for all of us. :unsuresweetie:

#6 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

You are missing the rating for Making a Scene.

Interesting read. What is the scale? Yay, Sheepish, Smile, Unsure, Oops, Facehoof? Or perhaps they are meant to reflect your face as you read each chapter? :twilightsheepish:

Also:

Wasn't that fun? Won't it be fun to scroll back and try to find your place again?

:twilightoops:<ctrl><F> [ 1 ] <Enter>

#7 · 58w, 3d ago · 5 · ·

Quick notes (I have to get to work soon):

1. I hate that semi-random attitude towards poetry. It's not just that I don't like it, I think it actively harms the quality of discourse.

2. You can tease and belittle all you want, Mr. Horse, I will still be using footnotes.

3. Y'know, I like Shakespeare, I adore Calvino[1], and I even enjoy the music of Mahler. I'm beginning to suspect there might be something wrong with me.

4. I'm not too much of a fan of stories with tragic, bleak endings. It's not just that I don't enjoy them personally[2] (I don't), it's that I feel the universe provides us with tragic bleak endings in limitless inexhaustible quantities. Entropy is certain, death inevitable, and tragedy fated. It's hardly original to do it in story form too, now is it? Besides, the demand for unhappiness in your stories, the sniffy disdain for the happy and cheerful dismissing it all as kids stuff... there's something unspeakably adolescent about it all, isn't there?

[1] Though holding a lecture on fantasy and talking only about Calvino is reprehensible. He is a fantasist, sure, but I would never call anything of his a good example of fantasy as the term is generally understood. He's too odd, too experimental.

[2] I admire Chekhov—in much the same way I admire the author of this blog—but I rarely enjoy the stories. Mostly I endure them.

#8 · 58w, 3d ago · 6 · ·

>>2194902

Were Mr. Horse to belittle, would he not better be called Mr. Pony?

#9 · 58w, 3d ago · 1 · ·

– Be aware that form and tone color and content.

I don't understand this.

#10 · 58w, 3d ago · 3 · ·

I prefer my sun to shine on the waves than to beat lightning upon them.  When a cloud beats lightning on the waves, it is an exciting tempest.  When a sun beats lightning on the waves, it is an exotic fantasy.  Unless the poem or prose in which the sun is beating lightning on the waves is actually an exotic fantasy, the effect of "The sun beats lightning on the waves" is just to sound detached from reality.  It is such a violent interpretation of what is otherwise considered to be a peaceful beauty.  It might be useful to indicate a character on the edge of psychosis.

#11 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

>>2194902 I like Calvino, but I think of his stories as after-dinner mints, not as dinner.

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#12 · 58w, 3d ago · 1 · ·

I can't tell you how many times I read that as "Tin Horse".

I like the sun beating lightning bit. :O Wish I could think of stuff like that.

#13 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

>>2195393

Oh come now. Surely more of an exquisite after-diner digestif. An eau-de-vie, say, or an exotic liqueur. :twilightsmile:

#14 · 58w, 3d ago · 3 · ·

>>2195409 You've had too much pony when...

#15 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

I just remembered that a few years ago I bought a book of Shirley Jackson short stories, and while The Lottery was as suspenseful and tense as I remember, the others were exactly the sort of thing you sound like you're railing against as being boring junk. I don't even remember if the characters were pathetic and desperate, or anything about those stories. That's how boring they all were.

As for the book itself:

-WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCK WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO KNOW YOUR CHARACTER MOTIVATION THAT IS THE STUPIDEST

-I've made up my mind to try and become a more interesting person, but not because one guy directly told me to. It's just a conclusion I came to on my own terms, as a solution for my problem of not being able to talk to most other people about my hobbies and interests for fear of being judged weird or whatever. Also, a broad knowledge pool can only help me write about things.

-I've been reluctant to get into Salman Rushdie because I quit The Satanic Verses after the bewildering first few pages, and then he shot his mouth off about how my favorite TV shows aren't good enough for him. Meh. I am kind of curious to know what Italo Calvino has actually wrote and whether he's actually part of this awful mentality of his own free will.

-I got the advice about combining characters from Film Crit Hulk, and it's one of my favorite pieces of writing advice in recent memory.

-The stuff about not being afraid to stretch the truth a little in writing historical or biographical fiction is pretty accurate from my experience from biopics. Most of them suck because they focus more on hitting the most important beats of a real person's life like a checklist, while Amadeus owes part of its awesomeness to lying about Salieri and Mozart.

You say that this is a good book to read, but your review hasn't exactly convinced me. It sounds like you want to take a scalpel to it like a doctor cutting gangrenous flesh off a patient to save his life. When you post the icon of Smiling Twilight, it often sounds like Unsure Applejack would be a better fit.

Also, I have a bit too many books on writing advice that I need to get through before I think of buying this one. I have Film Crit Hulk's Screenwriting 101 book (most of it applies to more media than just film), Alice LaPlante's The Making of a Story, and Jeff Vandermeer's Wonderbook, which is an illustrated guide specifically for speculative fiction, which is MUCH more my style than the Tin House formula.

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#16 · 58w, 3d ago · · ·

>>2195514

Never.

I don't have a problem! I can quit whenever I want! D:

#17 · 58w, 2d ago · 2 · ·

"Storytelling advice from pickup artists."

Sounds like something that would be right at home in "Uncle Bad Horse's stories for impressionable young foals".

#18 · 58w, 1d ago · · ·

Generating fiction from history and/or fact

I could summarize this as saying that sticking just to the facts doesn't tell the truth as honestly as making stuff up that communicates the drama and importance of a true story.  "People who... Only allow themselves to be moved by stories that are directly autobiographical in their events... Mistakenly equate a plain style... with sincerity."

Hey, I remember learning that lesson when I read Tim O'Brein's The Things they Carried. Damn, that was a good book. Needless to say, I agree with the sentiment.

Strongly empathize with your response to (Mis)adventures in poetry, too. Haven't read the essay itself, of course, but I very much agree with "This is the opposite of what I think poets should do." You ever considered writing poetry here? I know most readers probably wouldn't be interested (and, hell, you might not be interested). The only real poem I can remember seeing on this site is one that Horizon wrote (though that's probably because he was talking about it at EFNW 2013 when I was there). It was a good poem!

#19 · 58w, 1d ago · · ·

>>2200986 I've always been afraid of poetry. Writing bad poetry seems more embarrassing than writing bad stories.

#20 · 58w, 1d ago · · ·

>>2201220 Haha, that's pretty reasonable. It may also be that bad poetry is harder to identify as such!

Or, yeah, maybe everyone will just laugh :pinkiecrazy:

#21 · 58w, 1h ago · · ·

>>2195076 Speech-recognition typo. Should say, "Be aware that form and tone govern content." I'm back-and-forth on whether this is good or bad advice. I think it's a chicken-and-egg thing, but form and tone probably have the final say.

Comment posted by yamgoth deleted at 8:09am on the 5th of July, 2014
#23 · 56w, 20h ago · 2 · ·

Horse,

I think your deliberately wrong use of internet footnotes counts as your evil act.  Just sayin'.

#24 · 55w, 13h ago · · ·

Super Trampoline came up with a way that makes footnotes like a million times more tolerable:

>> yamgoth Or you just open too browser tabs, And have one be at wherever in the story  you're reading, and have the other one be at the footnotes section

This seems to be a good compromise, eh?

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